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Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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Kind of sparked a thought in another comment but my thinking is that the best action in this situation is to simply not reply to the scammer.

The author didn't explain "how the scammer was texting her". I don't own an iPhone. On my Android device, they'd have to have my phone number which I don't know how they'd get from the locked phone. Of course, I -- like many -- provide an alternate number on the screen for "helpful people who might want to return, rather than re-sell, my crappy old Samsung phone." And I'd imagine that would be the way to get "the first reply".

But if you could avoid that[0], it keeps you from feeding a likely gambling addiction, or at least makes the game a little less satisfying. Consider that they've got a box of bricked phones. Every text is a chance to turn one of those into a few hundred dollars. Every reply is a small "high" that they're still in the game. Every message that goes off into the Ether, ignored, is "additional confirmation that this phone is a permanent brick" and you don't even get the satisfaction of feeling like maybe you intimidated someone a little.

[0] And to a lesser extent, even if you can't. I've blocked scammmers and seen the progression of repeated "Hello?"s ... somewhere in there it's connected that whatever they're trying to send me is not meeting my eyeballs. Had a funny one that was like 30 messages in a row, followed by "whatever" and "ass hole" ... I remember thinking it was odd that it was always lower case and that they put a space between ass and hole. Not necessarily like a person with a lack of English language skills, but like a tween just learning how to wield profanity.

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody risks stealing individual bricks from people's front yards. The risk exceeds the reward. The end goal here is to make the phone so useless that nobody even tries to steal it.

No, this is a side effect of Apple striving to design the world's most unrepairable devices, or more accurately, earn more money with overpriced repairs by creating an artifical monopoly on Apple device repairs using part pairing. Why else would there be no option to pair parts for repairs if you can prove that you are the owner of the device?

If you want to make sure that thieves do not steal iPhones, you need to ensure there is no point in taking them apart for parts.

Which means you need to prove both: you are the owner of the device; and that the parts are not stolen. This means serial number on each part (likely already exists), database of individual parts with "stolen" flag, and a secure way to query this before pairing.

Or don't bother with all that, and just prohibit pairing of parts with unknown origin - which means prohibiting all 3rd party services.

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Makes me wish we could do proper punishment adjustment, taking into account the percentage of criminals punished, using this app. Let's say punishment X would deter phone theft. Now take the phones stolen, and how many are recovered with criminals punished, 1 in N. To actually deter theft, the punishment needs to be X*N; I'm pretty sure for realistic X (e.g. 6 months in jail?) and N (huge), the proper punishment is death. Every now and then, track one random phone thief down using these apps, and execute them with some fanfare (I use the term "them" loosely; more like, "it"). Deter phone theft, and also make the world a better place.

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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post #204

Makes me wish we could do proper punishment adjustment, taking into account the percentage of criminals punished, using this app. Let's say punishment X would deter phone theft. Now take the phones stolen, and how many are recovered with criminals punished, 1 in N. To actually deter theft, the punishment needs to be X*N; I'm pretty sure for realistic X (e.g. 6 months in jail?) and N (huge), the proper punishment is d…

The fact that people like you exist is far more damaging for the world than phone thieves.

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post #171

If someone in China starts harassing you or threatening you, just start sending messages that the two of you are conspiring to overthrow the Chinese government and the messages will stop real quick. These Chinese mafia types talk tough until you start sending anti-Chinese government copy-pasta to them and they shut up real quick.

In my (limited) experience private one on one messages are not censored. Or at least this was the case several years back... It's possible things are more strict now.

At least in my tests on Wechat you could discuss tiannanmen square or whatever you want with individuals. Some stickers were censored on Wechat and wouldn't show up. I think images as well may be don't get delivered.

Virtually all censorship and cases of people being arrested are when people talk about these things in large group chats (if a group chat has more than X amount of people it needs to be "registered"). My impression was it's a government fear of things going viral and controlling the public sphere and not about creating a panopticon/state-terrorism

Again.. This might be out of date, but this was at least the case for a long long time.

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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post #204

Makes me wish we could do proper punishment adjustment, taking into account the percentage of criminals punished, using this app. Let's say punishment X would deter phone theft. Now take the phones stolen, and how many are recovered with criminals punished, 1 in N. To actually deter theft, the punishment needs to be X*N; I'm pretty sure for realistic X (e.g. 6 months in jail?) and N (huge), the proper punishment is d…

The fact that people like you exist is far more damaging for the world than phone thieves.

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Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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post #204

Makes me wish we could do proper punishment adjustment, taking into account the percentage of criminals punished, using this app. Let's say punishment X would deter phone theft. Now take the phones stolen, and how many are recovered with criminals punished, 1 in N. To actually deter theft, the punishment needs to be X*N; I'm pretty sure for realistic X (e.g. 6 months in jail?) and N (huge), the proper punishment is d…

Just because cruel and unusual punishment would be an efficient-in-some-regards way to approach punishment doesn’t mean it’s a humane approach.

Humane is top priority. Punishments should be commensurate to the crime committed - with under-punishment always preferable to over-punishment.

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Organized crime and mafias are not the autonomous, powerful entities we're led to believe by the popular media. They're usually subjugated by the state, and used to bring money and do their dirty work. That's why cartels appear out of control in Mexico, but when USA wants an offer, Mexico will promptly deport a high-level criminal. It's a show of strength, that the state is still in control of the cartels, but won't…

> They're usually subjugated by the state That makes me think of some US-libertarian-adjacent thought, which goes something like "the government are just a big-enough gang", or conversely "organized-crime rings are just smaller competing governments." While I admit there is some pattern-making appeal to that idea, I don't think it quite matches what we see in practice, where gangs often seem quite happy to abandon un…

Gangs are as often business-by-other-means. Not to say some aren’t government, either.

They often come to exist due to niches government can’t (officially) operate in, but when they grow enough, they’re susceptible to capture the same as any other entity.

Re: Things the guys who stole my phone have texted me to try to get me to unlock it

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post #10

Honestly. This is a pretty good advertisement for Apple. I appreciate the effort that they've put into making my device less valuable to thiefs.

Apple puts effort into making you go to them for repair parts. Any deterrence against thieves is simply a fringe benefit. Don't credit them for something that isn't actually their goal.
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