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What We're Working on in Firefox

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Re: What We're Working on in Firefox

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post #170

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> Getting rid of most extensions What extensions did they get rid of?

They changed the extension model which broke the extensions using the old model. Many of the developers didn't have the resources to rewrite the extension from scratch, or the new model had restrictions that made what the extension was doing difficult to impossible, so they disappeared.

That was the switch from their own API and unsandboxed model to the standards-based one, right?

I think all in all getting sandboxing as well as making it easier to provide cross-browser extensions was worth the breaking change.

Re: What We're Working on in Firefox

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post #187

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That's a big part of it, but PWA offers more than that! For example it has facilities for caching the web application so that it can work offline. They can also register URL handlers on the system, which is very useful.

Programs that don't require an entire web browser to run can already do all of those things.

They can also do a lot of other things that a browser's sandbox would not allow

Re: What We're Working on in Firefox

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post #92

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> and then decided to be anti-competitive instead of just letting it win Or precisely because it was not enough to have the better product? Don't tell me you believe that the better product usually wins. Marketing wins.

Firefox was doing fine beating IE on merit once MS was prevented from behaving anti-competitively.

They did fine even before MS was prevented from behaving anti-competitively. When Microsoft had to put its browser choice banner in the EU, Firefox was already at its peak.

Microsoft did it to themselves, IE4 was a great browser for its time. It was bundled in Windows, for free, it was anticompetitive, but its technical merits made a big part of its adoption. But as it became old, and Microsoft did nothing to improve the situation. When Firefox came out, it didn't need advertising from a tech giant. It was a godsend for developers (it followed standards!), who advertised for it on their webpages, user tried it and loved the cool new features (tabs!) and installed it on their friends computers, the whole tech world except for Microsoft rooted for Firefox because it was just so much better.

When trade commissions arrived, the job was already done, Firefox had enough critical mass that it couldn't be ignored and IE-only sites were becoming a thing of the past (except for corporate intranets, these have always been the worst). If anything, they helped Chrome more than they helped Firefox as it was just launching during that time.

Marketing alone doesn't win for browsers. It is really easy to switch browsers, all it takes is to have some semi-geek friend to come by and say "hey, try this new browser, it is just like the old one, but better", and if it really is better, that's it. That's how Firefox was winning in 2010. And look how hard Microsoft is trying with Edge, and fail, that's because Edge has nothing over Chrome, unfortunately, Firefox don't have much over Chrome either (yeah, privacy, maybe 5% care).

Re: What We're Working on in Firefox

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> Customizable new tab wallpapers that will let you choose from a diverse range of photography, colors, and abstract images that suits you most.

Can we just make this include some sort of dark mode. There is an addon that kinda works, but not all the time. That bright white flash is pretty annoying.

Re: What We're Working on in Firefox

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> the UI paradigm of browsers hasn't really changed for 20+ years (Checks calendar) ugh, it really has been 15 years since they ground up the url box + search box into the big mystery meat mash-up that mostly works but is so damn obnoxious when it doesn't.

I thought I would miss the search box when it disappeared but actually the "awesome bar" is pretty awesome : You can disable search suggestions and it will only search your keywords in history/bookmarks/opened tabs and then you just tab into the list, else if there's nothing of interest in the list you can always press enter and it will launch a search in your default search engine. All that power accessible with jus…

I'm glad you like it.

But yes, it's time to give Firefox another spin. Hey, looks like youtube is un-broken in base FF! Keeping FF "base" for debug purposes is far more important than fixing my petty grievances so I have to pass on the tips, but I appreciate the sentiment. Here's hoping its next stint in the "daily driver" seat is a long one.

Re: What We're Working on in Firefox

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Are you bringing back XUL? No? Then please cease operation.

PaleMoon - http://www.palemoon.org/ - is a hard fork of Firefox that still supports XUL.

Although PaleMoon is great, it creates a brain split

Firefox had very advanced addons for the time, and very good developer community. XUL removal just gave everyone PTSD

Don't know how good is the continuous fragmentation of the community

Re: What We're Working on in Firefox

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If you have rule that gmail should open in the red container, then it will always create a new tab if you try to open gmail from a non-container. This the correct behavior. Otherwise, cookies/browser data would have to be invisibly switched as the user goes back and forth in history. Invisible switching is bad design.

As it is right now, if you go to a containerized URL using the adddress bar you may end up losing the tab's history completely when it gets switched between containers, without warning. You can't even get the tab back with Ctrl+Shift+T cause it instantly switches to the new container as well. That's much worse design. At least that's the behavior you get with Google Container and (Mozilla's own!) Facebook Container e…

You should get the generic Firefox Multi-Account Container extension [1] instead of individual ones. It has a setting to either replace or open a new tab, when clicking a link.

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account...

Re: What We're Working on in Firefox

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post #58
post #50

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The implication of what you're saying is that it somehow isn't friendly and approachable to your average non-techie person, which doesn't make sense because the UI paradigm of browsers hasn't really changed for 20+ years and Firefox has been just fine for technies to switch their parents/grandparents over to for years now. The problem with Firefox isn't the UI, the problem with Firefox is mismanagement by the board t…

First time I’ve heard Google being blamed for Mozilla’s self inflicted problems. Google is highly incentivised to make sure Mozilla survives with some reasonable market share. Without Mozilla antitrust enforcement becomes much more likely. That’s why Google pays Mozilla for being the default search engine provider. That’s the main source of revenue for Mozilla. If Mozilla could maintain 10% market share in perpetuity…

First time huh? That's surprising. It's only mentioned every time Firefox and Mozilla come up.

I'm sure Google would like a slightly healthier captured 'competitor' but that doesn't mean that they didn't put them in this place through subversive practices.

Re: What We're Working on in Firefox

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The way I see it, there was a time when FF had the chance to not accept the google contracts and go 100% independent with their own search engine or something similar. This would have resulted in FF actually siding with users. It would have resulted in FF radically rejecting ads, and this would have changed the entire web because people would have flocked to Firefox. But Mozilla leadership did not have an interest in…

> ...this would have changed the entire web because people would have flocked to Firefox. One cannot compete with those who hold the choke points. Google owned the Web when they launched Chrome. Microsoft and Apple own desktop and mobile defaults. With three major competitors setting defaults, nagging users, and aggressively developing their browsers, Firefox was doomed. Only unskippable browser ballots, with random…

15 years ago, lots of things were possible. Most people were using firefox, it had like 30 or 40% market share.
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