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Re: xAI announces series B funding round of $6B

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Post by andsoitis »

TMWNN wrote: post #174
gizajob wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The company’s mission is to understand the true nature of the universe” - There’s no way an LLM is going to get anywhere near understanding this. The true nature of the universe is unlikely to be captured in language.

>“The company’s mission is to understand the true nature of the universe” - There’s no way an LLM is going to get anywhere near understanding this. The true nature of the universe is unlikely to be captured in language. I disagree. The day is coming when some * BIG* problem is solved by AI just because someone jokingly asks about it.

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Re: xAI announces series B funding round of $6B

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Post by Jensson »

Arnt wrote: post #169
aydyn wrote: post #104

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That's what people said about AI art, yet here we are.

Yes... I'm not sure what the archetype of intelligence is, but for practical purposes I'd say: Humans have some of it. And it's not clear to me that what humans have is very far from what AI is starting to have. The hallucinations are weird and wonderful, but so are some of the answers I saw from below-average students when I was in university. Can't tell whether the two weirdnesses are different or similar. Exciting…

> Can't tell whether the two weirdnesses are different or similar

Because you focus on how they are similar and not how they are different, to me it is extremely obvious they are very different. Students make mistakes and learn and then stop doing them soon after, when I taught students at college I saw that over and over. LLM however still does the same weird mistakes they did 4 years ago, they just hide it a bit better today, the core different in how they act compared to humans is still the same as in GPT-2 to me, because they are still completely unable to learn or understand their mistakes like almost every human can.

Without being able to understand your own mistakes you can never reach human intelligence, and I think that is a core limitation of current LLM architecture.

Edit: Note that many/most jobs doesn't require full human general intelligence. We used to have human calculators etc, same will happen in the future, but we will continue to use humans as long as we don't have generally intelligent computers that can understand their mistakes.

Re: xAI announces series B funding round of $6B

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Post by Jensson »

bboygravity wrote: post #190
threeseed wrote: post #26

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Because Microsoft/OpenAI, Google and Meta have unlimited money and servers to throw at AI. As do Amazon and Apple who aren't just sitting back doing nothing. So I think even 4th place is putting it nicely. Far more likely to be 6th at best.

Because winning tech-development or even AI/AGI is about who has the most money and servers?! Since when? If that's the case then why are Meta, Microsoft, Amazon and even Google not nr 1 right now? IMO the deciding factor for success is super obviously leadership. Hence why xAI got 6 billy thrown at it.

> If that's the case then why are Meta, Microsoft, Amazon and even Google not nr 1 right now?

Microsoft is nr 1 right now, via OpenAI. Microsoft was behind on AI so they sent their compute for 49% of OpenAI and full access to OpenAI's models.

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Post by darksaints »

naveen99 wrote: post #193
lionkor wrote: post #6

> The company’s mission is to understand the true nature of the universe. I yawned so hard my jaw unlocked. Can't wait to see groundbreaking... checks notes ... "advancements in various applications, optimizations, and extensions of the model". Do these companies only hire yes men?

To play devil’s advocate, he lists “truthful” as a goal, which is emphatically missing from openai, google, microsoft, facebook. Google even removed don’t be evil. Elon is greedy and truthful (although obviously with plenty of self deceipt when conflict of interest…). But how far can you really go with truth, when no one wants the truth: not the west, not the east, and not the Middle East. And your allies and investo…

There is nothing truthful that comes out of Elon’s or Trump’s mouth.

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Post by rchaud »

melodyogonna wrote: post #184
dgellow wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t he known to not pay well his employees?

Isn't there an industry standard pay-range? If he isn't paying as well as his competition then I would expect employees to seek better opportunities.

This is a pretty blithe comment that assumes perfect labour mobility. Many of Twitter's remaining employees are on work visas that are tied to Twitter and can't easily be ported to another employer.

Re: xAI announces series B funding round of $6B

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Post by darksaints »

dagmx wrote: post #140
klunger wrote: post #120

> xAI will continue on this steep trajectory of progress over the coming months, with multiple exciting technology updates and products soon to be announced. There is a lot of potential for using AI in drug discovery and development, biotech more broadly and chemistry/material science. Pharma is investing heavily in this right now. If useful, the output here could potentially also support Neuralink and even SpaceX. C…

The “true nature of the universe” bit is that Elon believes that competing LLMs are too neutered because they disallow certain terms etc. (his words are much more politically charged and I do not agree with his take on this and many other things) Therefore he believes that Grok can be an LLM trained on the voices of the people using his alleged free speech platform:X.

Elon’s vision of free speech is a world where you can say anything you want as long as it isn’t mean towards Elon or Alt-right ideology. Which is actually pretty hilarious to think about in the context of a training dataset for a generative model…it’s literally gonna be a bullshit generator.

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Post by knowriju »

naveen99 wrote: post #193
lionkor wrote: post #6

> The company’s mission is to understand the true nature of the universe. I yawned so hard my jaw unlocked. Can't wait to see groundbreaking... checks notes ... "advancements in various applications, optimizations, and extensions of the model". Do these companies only hire yes men?

To play devil’s advocate, he lists “truthful” as a goal, which is emphatically missing from openai, google, microsoft, facebook. Google even removed don’t be evil. Elon is greedy and truthful (although obviously with plenty of self deceipt when conflict of interest…). But how far can you really go with truth, when no one wants the truth: not the west, not the east, and not the Middle East. And your allies and investo…

There is a simple turing test for Elon's AI 1. What happened in Tiananmen Square? 2. Who killed Jamal Khashoggi ?

The output will very simply tell how much 'truthful' the AI actually is.

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Post by andsoitis »

snowpid wrote: post #188
snowpid wrote: post #178

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" Considering what’s at Tesla, I don’t think it makes sense to assume they’ll be constraining themselves to text/LLM. " Tesla is losing money and cant fulfill its promises about AI. What do you mean?

First statement is wrong. Just sales dropped, Tesla is earning money though. Tesla though has a strong story of broken promises on Automated Driving.

> Tesla though has a strong story of broken promises on Automated Driving.

While that is true, it is also noteworthy that Jensen Huang thinks Tesla is far ahead in self-driving cars. https://autos.yahoo.com/nvidia-ceo-says-tesla-far-110000305....

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Post by melodyogonna »

rchaud wrote: post #205
melodyogonna wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't there an industry standard pay-range? If he isn't paying as well as his competition then I would expect employees to seek better opportunities.

This is a pretty blithe comment that assumes perfect labour mobility. Many of Twitter's remaining employees are on work visas that are tied to Twitter and can't easily be ported to another employer.

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Post by melodyogonna »

sangnoir wrote: post #153
dgellow wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t he known to not pay well his employees?

His hype-machine has made some of those who invest on his hype very rich, including through worthless instruments such as meme stocks he was pumping.

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