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OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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I mean why would anyone be surprised about this is beyond me?

I know many people on this site will not like what I am about to write as Sam is worshiped but let's face it: The head of this company is a master scammer who will do everything under the sun and the moon to earn a buck, including but notwithstanding to destroying himself along with his entire fortune if necessary in his quest of making sure other people don't get a dime;

So far he has done it all it: attempt to regulatory capture, hostile take over as the CEO, thrown out all other top engineers and partners and ensured the company remains closed despite its "open" name.

Now he is simply attempting to tie up all the loos ends and ensuring his employees remain loyal and are kept on a tight leash. It's a brilliant strategy, preventing any insider from blowing the whistle should OpenAI ever decides to do anything questionable, such as selling AI capabilities to hostile governments.

I simply hope that open source wins this battle so that we are not all completely reliant on OpenAI for the future, despite Sam's attempt.

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A lot of the brouhaha about OpenAI is silly, I think. But this is gross. Forcing employees to sign a perpetual non-disparagement agreement under threat of clawing back the large majority of their already earned compensation should not be legal. Honestly it probably isn't, but it'll take someone brave enough to sue to find out.

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It probably would be better to switch the link from the X post to the Vox article [0]. From the article: “““ It turns out there’s a very clear reason for [why no one who had once worked at OpenAI was talking]. I have seen the extremely restrictive off-boarding agreement that contains nondisclosure and non-disparagement provisions former OpenAI employees are subject to. It forbids them, for the rest of their lives, fr…

He gets my respect for that one both publicly acknowledging why he was leaving and their pantomime. I don't know how much the equity would be for each employee (the article suggests millions but that may skew by role) and I don't know if I would just be like the rest by keeping my lips tight for fear of the equity forfeiture.

It takes a man of real principle to stand up against that and tell them to keep their money if they can't speak ill of a potentially toxic work environment.

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Why have other companies not done the same? This seems legally tenuous to only now be attempted. Will we see burger flippers prevented from discussing the rat infestation at their previous workplace? (Don’t have X) - is there a timeline? Can I curse out the company on my deathbed, or would their lawyers have the legal right to try and clawback the equity from the estate?

Other companies have done the same. I worked at a company that is 0% related to the tech industry. I was laid off/let go/dismissed/sacked where they offered me a "severance" on the condition I sign a release with a non-disparaging clause. I didn't give enough shits about the company to waste my time/energy commenting about them. It was just an entry on a resume where I happened to work with some really neat, talented, and cool/interesting coworkers. I had the luxury of nobody else giving a damn about how/why I left. I can only imagine these people getting hounded by Real Housewives level gossip/bullshit.

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i worked at McDonald's in the mid-late 00s, I'm pretty sure there was a clause about never saying anything negative about them. i think they were a great employer!

Sorry, someone at corporate has interpreted this statement as criticism. Please give back all equity, or an amount equivalent to its current value.

Like a fast food employee would have equity in the company. Please, let's at least be sensible in our internet ranting.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading that thread it’s really interesting to me. I see how far we’ve come in a short couple of years. But I still can’t grasp how we’ll achieve AGI within any reasonable amount of time. It just seems like we’re missing some really critical… something… Idk. Folks much smarter than I seem worried so maybe I should be too but it just seems like such a long shot.

When it comes to AI, as a rule, you should assume that whatever has been made public by a company like OpenAI is AT LEAST 6 months behind what they’ve accomplished internally. At least. So yes, the insiders very likely know a thing or two that the rest of us don’t.

I understand this argument, but I can't help but feel we're all kidding ourselves assuming that their engineers are really living in the future.

The most obvious reason is costs - if it costs many millions to train foundation models, they don't have a ton of experiments sitting around on a shelf waiting to be used. They may only get 1 shot at the base-model training. Sure productization isn't instant, but no one is throwing out that investment or delaying it longer than necessary. I cannot fathom that you can train an LLM at like 1% size/tokens/parameters to experiment on hyper parameters, architecture, etc and have a strong idea on end-performance or marketability.

Additionally, I've been part of many product launches - both hyped up big-news-events and unheard of flops. Every time, I'd say that 25-50% of the product is built/polished in the mad rush between press event and launch day. For an ML Model, this might be different, but again see above point.

Sure products may be planned month/years out, but OpenAI didn't even know LLMs were going to be this big a deal in May 2022. They had GPT-2 and GPT-3 and thought they were fun toys at that time, and had an idea for a cool tech demo. I think that OpenAI (and Google, etc) are entirely living day-to-day with this tech like those of us on the outside.

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post #25

Not a lawyer but those contracts aren't legal. You need something called "consideration" ie something new of value to be legal. They can't just take away something of value that was already agreed upon. However they could add this to new employee contracts.

"Legal" seems like a fuzzy line to OpenAI's leadership. Pushing unenforceable scare-copy to get employees to self-censor sounds on-brand.

This sounds just like the non-compete issue that the FTC just invalidated. I can see if the current FTC leadership is allowed to continue working after 2025/01/20 that these things might be moved against as well. If new admin is brought in, they might all get reversed. Just something to consider going into your particular polling place

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>To really stress this: OpenAI's still-present cofounder shared yesterday on a podcast that they expect AGI in ~2 years and ASI (superpassing human intelligence) by end of the decade. Link? Is the ~2 year timeline a common estimate in the field?

They can't even clearly define a test of "AGI" I seriously doubt they're going to reach it in two years. Alternatively, they could define a fairly trivial test and reach it last year.

I feel like we'll know it when we see it. Or at least, significant changes will happen even if people still claim it isn't really The Thing.

Personally I'm not seeing that the path we're on leads to whatever that is, either. But I think/hope I'll know if I'm wrong when it's in front of me.

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