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Re: Veo

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Post by jsheard »

latexr wrote: post #176
popcar2 wrote: post #46

Not nearly as impressive as Sora. Sora was impressive because the clips were long and had lots of rapid movement since video models tend to fall apart when the movement isn't easy to predict. By comparison, the shots here are only a few seconds long and almost all look like slow motion or slow panning shots cherrypicked because they don't have that much movement. Compare that to Sora's videos of people walking in rea…

> Not nearly as impressive as Sora. Sora was impressive because the clips were long and had lots of rapid movement The most impressive Sora demo was heavily edited. https://www.fxguide.com/fxfeatured/actually-using-sora/

To Shy Kids credit they made it clear the Sora footage was heavily edited, but OpenAIs site still presents Air Head without that context.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFzXwBZgB88 (posted the day after the short debuted)

https://openai.com/index/sora-first-impressions (no mention of editing, nor do they link to the above making-of video)

Re: Veo

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Post by sangnoir »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #185
rvz wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to give Google credit as they went against the OpenAI fanatics, Google doomsday crowd and some of the permanent critics (who won't disclose they invested in OpenAI's secondary share sale) that believe that Google can't keep up. In fact, they already did. What OpenAI announced was nothing that Google could not do already. The top comments around Sora vs Veo suggesting that Google was falling behind, given the…

> What OpenAI announced was nothing that Google could not do already I don’t think I’ve seen serious criticism of Google’s abilities. Apple didn’t release anything that Xerox or IBM couldn’t do. The difference is they didn’t. Google’s problem has always been in product follow through. In this case, I fault them for having the sole action item be a buried waitlist request and two new brands (Veo and VideoFX) for one u…

> I don’t think I’ve seen serious criticism of Google’s abilities

Serious or not, that criticism existed on HN - and still does. I've seen many comments claiming Google has "fallen behind" on AI, sometimes with the insinuation the Google won't ever catch up due to OpenAI's apparent insurmountable lead

Re: Veo

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Post by [deleted] »

willsmith72 wrote: post #76

all of this stuff i'll believe when it's ready for public release 1. safety measures lead to huge quality reductions 2. the devil's in the details. you can make me 1 million videos which look 99% realistic, but it's useless. consumers can pick it instantly, and it's a gigantic turn-off for any brand

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Re: Veo

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Post by localfirst »

skepticATX wrote: post #36
xianshou wrote: post #23

To quote Twitter/X, "I wonder what OpenAI will release tomorrow and Google will release a waitlist for." GPT-4o: out Veo: waitlist Admittedly this is impressive and the direct comp would be Sora, which isn't out, but sometimes the caricature is very close to the truth.

OpenAI hardly released gpt-4o. The demo yesterday was clearly a rushed response to I/O. It’s quite possible that Google will ship multi-modality features faster than OpenAI will.

listen all these guys out here attacking Google and making outlandish/false claims

look at their linkedin pages, that will tell you why they are desperate

(hint: they bought OpenAI bags on the secondary market)

Re: Veo

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Post by nimithryn »

throwup238 wrote: post #148
aidenn0 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to fact check this amazing comment on that video, but it would require watching Taken 3: > Some of y'all may find how awful this editing gets pretty interesting: I did an Average Shot Length (ASL) for many movies for a recent project, and just to illustrate bad overediting in action movies, I looked at Taken 3 (2014) in its extended cut. > The longest shot in the movie is the last shot, an aerial shot of a p…

It's worth noting that Taken 3 has a 13% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, which is well in to "it's so bad it's good" territory. I don't think the rapid cuts went unnoticed.

Yeah, this sequence is a meme commonly cited to show "choppy modern editing"

Re: Veo

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #185
rvz wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to give Google credit as they went against the OpenAI fanatics, Google doomsday crowd and some of the permanent critics (who won't disclose they invested in OpenAI's secondary share sale) that believe that Google can't keep up. In fact, they already did. What OpenAI announced was nothing that Google could not do already. The top comments around Sora vs Veo suggesting that Google was falling behind, given the…

> What OpenAI announced was nothing that Google could not do already I don’t think I’ve seen serious criticism of Google’s abilities. Apple didn’t release anything that Xerox or IBM couldn’t do. The difference is they didn’t. Google’s problem has always been in product follow through. In this case, I fault them for having the sole action item be a buried waitlist request and two new brands (Veo and VideoFX) for one u…

I saw it here alone. A lot of people simply have no idea the level of research ability and skill Google, the inventor of the Transformer, has.

Re: Veo

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Post by jason-phillips »

CraftingLinks wrote: post #58
InfiniteVortex wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google search has been absolutely ruined in terms of quality. You're right, they've built the base in terms of R&D for many of the AI breakthroughs thats powering competing alternative products.... that happen to be better than Google's own products. Google went from "Don't be evil" to just another big corporate tech company. They have so much potential. Regrettable.

They are fast on their way becoming IBM 2.0.

More like Xerox

Re: Veo

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Post by latexr »

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #199
rvz wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting to see that OpenAI was successful in creating their own reality distortion spells, just like Apple's reality distortion field which has fooled many of these commenters here. It's quite early to race to the conclusion that one is better than the other when not only they are both unreleased, but especially when the demos can be edited, faked or altered to look great for optics and distortion. EDIT: It appea…

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Re: Veo

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Post by thih9 »

Is there any non slow motion example?

The cyberpunk video seems better in that aspect, but I wish there were more.

Re: Veo

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Post by [deleted] »

rvz wrote: post #190
latexr wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not nearly as impressive as Sora. Sora was impressive because the clips were long and had lots of rapid movement The most impressive Sora demo was heavily edited. https://www.fxguide.com/fxfeatured/actually-using-sora/

Interesting to see that OpenAI was successful in creating their own reality distortion spells, just like Apple's reality distortion field which has fooled many of these commenters here. It's quite early to race to the conclusion that one is better than the other when not only they are both unreleased, but especially when the demos can be edited, faked or altered to look great for optics and distortion. EDIT: It appea…

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