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Re: Got an old Raspberry Pi spare? Try RISC OS. It is, something else

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What's better for a tiny underpowered computer with not much RAM... * A tiny simple OS with a modest selection of really good apps? * Or a huge slow complicated OS with lots and lots of indifferent-quality apps?

The way you're talking (Linux is a "slow complicated OS") means you're likely some dark wizard in a tower somewhere inventing either the apocalypse or the next great consumer experience. For that reason I thank you for your likely many contributions to obscure open source projects and gosh speed on your endeavors.

No, not really.

I'm a techie turned journalist, who's been using computers for well over 40 years now, with a particular interest in obscure and niche OSes and programming languages.

I've used an exceptionally broad range of computers for someone still active in the industry. Counting the entire field of PC-compatible x86 machines as one, then I'd guesstimate I've used and worked with 30 or 40 different architectures. Counting all forms of Unix-like OS from SCO Xenix to Linux as being Unix, being 1 OS in different implementations, then again, I'd estimate 30 to 40 different OSes.

I remember how small and simple OSes used to be. I remember the era when a multitasking GUI OS fitted easily into a single megabyte of RAM. When a machine with 4 or 8MB of RAM was more than adequate for exploring the Internet.

I am especially interested in OSes that are still around today, still being maintained, that are small enough for a single person to read the entire codebase, all of it, every line, in a matter of weeks and understand the whole thing in months.

There are several such systems.

There seems to me to be a belief today that a serious useful system must inherently be gigabytes of code, tens of millions of lines, and nobody can understand the whole thing. That is simply NOT TRUE and it never was.

No, I am not writing such things. I am writing about them and trying to bring more peoples' attention to them.

Re: Got an old Raspberry Pi spare? Try RISC OS. It is, something else

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Anybody know a quick work around for the middle mouse button? Actually it appears I'm also having trouble with the keyboard too. My wireless keyboard+trackpad worked fine yesterday on raspberry pi os. It is refreshing though to see an OS that is lightweight and quick to install, and doesn't give you any surprise errors after you got it all updated about stuff like the web-browser is not supported on your model B+(even if i wasn't able to connect to internet and actually test functionality). Life is tough! I'm spending too much time trying to figure out all this random half-baked tech.

Re: Got an old Raspberry Pi spare? Try RISC OS. It is, something else

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Anybody know a quick work around for the middle mouse button? Actually it appears I'm also having trouble with the keyboard too. My wireless keyboard+trackpad worked fine yesterday on raspberry pi os. It is refreshing though to see an OS that is lightweight and quick to install, and doesn't give you any surprise errors after you got it all updated about stuff like the web-browser is not supported on your model B+(eve…

I forgot this is an 8 day old thread. There is actually a lot about RISC OS that i think seems favorable over running raspi os, just based on the tiny amount of testing i did on both, and getting neither to work for my use-case: I like how small RISC OS is, and it seems to have a better method for adjusting scan to my TV - raspi os doesn't seem to have a way to adjust that. It does seem like there could be some improvements at making it more plug and play; or maybe it is my wireless keyboards fault. i'll have to report back after i get that figured out.

Re: Got an old Raspberry Pi spare? Try RISC OS. It is, something else

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Anybody know a quick work around for the middle mouse button? Actually it appears I'm also having trouble with the keyboard too. My wireless keyboard+trackpad worked fine yesterday on raspberry pi os. It is refreshing though to see an OS that is lightweight and quick to install, and doesn't give you any surprise errors after you got it all updated about stuff like the web-browser is not supported on your model B+(eve…

I forgot this is an 8 day old thread. There is actually a lot about RISC OS that i think seems favorable over running raspi os, just based on the tiny amount of testing i did on both, and getting neither to work for my use-case: I like how small RISC OS is, and it seems to have a better method for adjusting scan to my TV - raspi os doesn't seem to have a way to adjust that. It does seem like there could be some impro…

Ok, well final story is, i rummaged around and found some wired keyboards and mice. It was a little frustrating, but i finally found a pair that seemed to function. I'm still not sure what the point of 3 mouse buttons is; it seems like right and left click do the same thing(that is with the mouse i was able to actually get working - maybe RISC OS doesn't like any of my mice). Also the [FN]+Q,W,E,arrows trick didn't work on my keyboard that actually had a Function key. I guess i could have rummaged more(and maybe i will), but my hardware generally works fine with the linux distros I have used(mostly MX). It seems like some more work could be done here. Also, my wifi dongle seems to be recognized but incorrectly as a usb-ethernet interface, so i have an IP, but no internet, and i can't find a way to change that. riscosopen.org says sign-ups are disabled i need to email the webmaster; maybe i will; i am interested in trying out RISC OS, but it doesn't give me much confidence with my experience so far. ...it looks like MX still publishes a 32bit version, so i guess i can try and run that on my old Model 2 B+? ...but i bet it's going to have the same problem with no web-browser. So i guess all my 32bit stuff is bricks now? on a side note, i noticed some degradation in the desktop experience with the latest version of MX on my old laptop(it is a Thinkpad T510 with an intel i5). It is still functional, but i can feel the walls closing in.

Re: Got an old Raspberry Pi spare? Try RISC OS. It is, something else

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I forgot this is an 8 day old thread. There is actually a lot about RISC OS that i think seems favorable over running raspi os, just based on the tiny amount of testing i did on both, and getting neither to work for my use-case: I like how small RISC OS is, and it seems to have a better method for adjusting scan to my TV - raspi os doesn't seem to have a way to adjust that. It does seem like there could be some impro…

Ok, well final story is, i rummaged around and found some wired keyboards and mice. It was a little frustrating, but i finally found a pair that seemed to function. I'm still not sure what the point of 3 mouse buttons is; it seems like right and left click do the same thing(that is with the mouse i was able to actually get working - maybe RISC OS doesn't like any of my mice). Also the [FN]+Q,W,E,arrows trick didn't w…

Well, i went back to raspi os, and installed midori, and it successfully ran and loaded a page, though it quickly became apparent that raspbery pi os on an old model 2 B+ was not going to work(cpu + mem overload = slow) I have a vague memory of connecting a screen+keyboard+mouse to my raspi some years ago, though I can't really remember what the UX was like. In any case, it is unusable now with the latest version of raspi os. Here's a pic if you don't believe me(not that it is very much proof, but notice the scan is messed up - there is no way to fix it apparently): https://i.postimg.cc/3NjBDR6f/KIMG0503.jpg

I'm going to have to figure out another solution for my idea of turning TVs into cheap workstations. Sadly it seems like nobody is interested in making retro-computing accessible, and my favorite brand of linux seems to be slowly moving on to new hardware support(things seem degraded after updating). It's just that it makes it hard to participate(and contribute) when simple setup is so difficult, and hardware support becomes degraded. Maybe there is some project out there i just haven't seen yet that will fix all my problems, but it just seems less likely the longer i hang around. Actually there are a few options that come to mind, but testing OSs takes time, and so i think i'll just leave it at that for now.

Take care all.

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