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Air travel is a bigger spread of disease, should we ban air travel?
I believe you're joking, but if not, it's about tradeoffs and Pareto optimal solutions. Lifestyles and civilization doesn't significantly change if we all halve or eliminate need for factory animal farms in developed countries.
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Chickens eat worms. Feeding them crab or fish meal is fine. Cows are herbivores. Feeding them meat is abhorrent.
> Feeding them meat is abhorrent. "Meat" is a relative term though. If I dry carcasses with some muscle and tissue still on them, grind it up into a powder, and add that powder to grain, is that meat? "For dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return," etc.
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Do you believe all 8 billion people could live like Americans in a sustainable way? Do you believe we could produce enough meat and animal derived products in a morally sustainable way? Looking at film of the conditions of the animals in factory farms it’s clear the meat portion of our food supply is grossly immoral.
We saw this movie before in the 70s. “The population bomb” etc. All that Malthusian drivel assumed a static state when humanity is anything but. You are discounting civilizations ability to adapt and invent by an absolutely incredible margin that is not supported by our own history of human events.
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mixing milk dramatically increases these chances. If each person drinks milk from one cow, and there are 1 million of each, then you have 1 million chances. A chance is higher if a cow has a few mutations in its viruses, or if a person has a slightly different receptor or immune system... But if you put all the milk from the 1 million cows in a mixing vat and then distribute it to the same 1 million people, now there…
I have a similar theory with ground meat, or even where you're buying individual cuts. People are now consuming hundreds of thousands of animals throughout their lifetime rather than hundreds or thousands .
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Chickens eat worms. Feeding them crab or fish meal is fine. Cows are herbivores. Feeding them meat is abhorrent.
I helped my dad castrate some of cattle one time, and we just tossed the ... parts ... off into the grass. Later I saw one of them come over and eat one. So I'm not so surethey would not eat meat on their own, but since they are too slow to catch any, and they couldn't tear it off the carcass, anyway. I expect that chopped up meat is in short supply in the grasslands.
One weirdo from the herd showed a preference for it one time. Whereas if you threw it among your dogs they'd likely fight over it. That's the difference.
Is there a significant chance of a human crossover stemming from this cow outbreak? Are the influenza virus targets in cows similar to those of humans, that adaptations for one host would be useful for the other? Is the large population size (millions of cows) worrisome for viral evolution, with the high cumulative volume of mutations? Do governments not consider mass culling an option here, the way they routinely ap…
Only if a significant amount of people are being directly infected by the cows and a mutation occurs in a person to allow spread to other humans. So seems like the chance is low, but not zero. The real worry is pigs. If it makes its way to pigs, we are in trouble. From what I understand, pigs contain a mix of avian and human receptors that make them the ideal mixing ground for crossover. Cows do not.
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20240408/cdc-issues-...
The one with the later expiration was $4 more a pound.
Is this inflation or something to do with the H5N1?
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> If you take out meat, you'll simply reduce the pool of available (good) choices Only if we forced everyone to give up meat at gunpoint. Most people who choose to go meat-free, and stick with it, end up finding tasty and nutritious food that works for them. > even when they are available, they are usually too expensive to become a common staple. People automatically assume that giving up meat means salads and tofu a…
I'll happily concede the expensiveness point, and also say that if we are not entertaining the idea of forcing anyone to give up meat (which is what I thought we were discussing), then we are not in disagreement. I'll only add that when promoting vegetarianism or veganism, I find most such sources to be akin to propaganda, i.e. they always talk about the benefits but rarely talk about the disadvantages. I suspect thi…
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> eating is by far one of the biggest pleasures a person can have in life. With 70% of the west being obese or overweight I think the pendulum swung way too far. > This notion of sacrificing Quality of Eating(tm) is therefore a non-starter When did factory farms meat become quality ?? I think you're mistaking quantity and low price for quality. You'd have to be blind to not see how the quality of food decreased in th…
Let me put it in terms of tech so the audience here can relate better: The computers we have at home and in our pockets are inferior in quality to enterprise servers and mainframes, but everyone has computers and nobody is willing to go back to simple Casio calculators and slide rules. The meats we have at home are inferior in quality to artisan meats, but everyone has meats and nobody is willing to go back to eating…
> and rightfully noone is willing to let it go.
A cancer also won't let go even if it means the death of its host.
Your analogy is plain wrong because there is 0 trade off in your example, the right analogy would be to trade your $1500 iphone for five $100 backdoored chinese phones of much lower quality and pretend you're happier because you have more
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We waste like 1/3rd of the food and half of the planet is overweight/obese, I think we could slow down a bit tbh
> half of the planet is overweight/obese, I think we could slow down a bit tbh I don't think half of the planet is overweight or obese due to meat consumption. If anything, take away the meat (or make it more expensive) and it'd probably lead to even more obesity.
It's not like eating meat multiple time a day or even every day was a pre requisite for human life. I don't remember last time I ate meat and I'm fitter than 90% of people I meet in my day to day life