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Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by SebFender »

akurtzhs wrote: post #85
charlie0 wrote: post #15

Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds. Can't move out of a HCOL and now you have to co-ordinate with your co-workers to reap any "benefits" of being in-office. What would be really cool is reconceptualizing hybrid work as quarterly retreats, where the company provides housing and other amenities for 1 to 2 weeks every quarter. This gives everyone time to bond and work on harder problems. I get this wouldn't work as…

YMMV. I prefer hybrid with two days a week in the office. You can dedicate those days to meetings and conversations and keep the remote days for more heads down work. And if you can’t make it to the office due to snow or travel, you’re prepared for remote work.

Absolument. But these 2 days are close to a lost for me and my team as people start talking about anything and everything for a few hours. I mean it's fun and simple but deep down it's a bit of a lost of time in the end...

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by maerF0x0 »

rokkitmensch wrote: post #175
maerF0x0 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I often have to hide from folks who want to interrupt me doing my work so I can do their work for them. If I turn them down I get a bad peer review and get labelled a "Jerk" (no jerks allowed!). If I help them, I don't get to begin doing my own work till 5PM.

Surely there's a ticketing system you can abuse to defend your time?

Curious what you have in mind, how so?

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by maerF0x0 »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #198
maerF0x0 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your brain shifts into "work mode" by default. I never found this to be the case in office. However I would agree with you on the shift out. 30 mins into the gym or drive home and I was able to stop thinking about work. Whereas now it's often 8-9pm at home before I go "whoa, I should dim these blue lights and do something with my life"

If you really want this to change, have kids. Note: this is bad advice.

Can you tell me more about how it changes? (either your perception or anecdote)

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by rokkitmensch »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #202
rokkitmensch wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely there's a ticketing system you can abuse to defend your time?

Curious what you have in mind, how so?

"That sounds important! As you can see, I have three tickets in flight already. Can you open another one up, and $MANAGER and I can prioritize the work that you need done?"

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by good_intentions »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #26

Offices or remote, nothing is perfect, it's a tradeoff. And the habits and practices are far from settled at this point. I think that most companies are doing remote wrong, too many meetings, not enough async communication, not enough written communication overall. The open source world is a good example of the possible efficiency.

The problem I am finding is that I put a lot of energy into well written comms and trying to enforce async, but the less tech savvy peers of mine cannot seem to make the efficiencies work. Too much time is spent finding that file or assigning tasks to "we" instead of calling out or asking individuals to do their actual jobs. A lot of "email passing" happens which eventually leads me to booking a Zoom meeting to sort things out. It is very frustrating to watch.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by kkfx »

Ehm, no thanks. REMOTE work YES, hybrid no. Hybrid, short workweeks etc are made as kind of cadeau to keep people in cities, witch is at all illogical and unsustainable. People in cities in the modern time means just service slaves who live spending the 100% they earn in services, as human puppet of some large puppeteer.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by kkfx »

charlie0 wrote: post #15

Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds. Can't move out of a HCOL and now you have to co-ordinate with your co-workers to reap any "benefits" of being in-office. What would be really cool is reconceptualizing hybrid work as quarterly retreats, where the company provides housing and other amenities for 1 to 2 weeks every quarter. This gives everyone time to bond and work on harder problems. I get this wouldn't work as…

100% agree: hybrid works and short workweeks are made as kind of gifts/bonuses to force people in cities instead of allowing remote work witch have the effect of depopulate congested and unlivable cities to spread toward smaller and less denser areas, witch means a good density for the modern economy of scale for all humans, except for giants who can't enslave people making them spending 100% of their income, no matter how small or big it is, in services.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by tmaly »

cookie_monsta wrote: post #69

My boss (middle management) is very staunchly opposed to more than 1 day per week of WFH. She spends about 90% of her time on video calls, so I was always confused by that until she was telling me that when she does WFH she's always distracted by other things which doesn't happen in the office. Maybe a lot of the WFH opposition is really just managers projecting their own work ethic onto others?

I manage a team of 12. I am in favor of more WFH.

But when I am in the office, I take full advantage of face to face meetings. I take team members out for coffee to have one on ones.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by jjav »

charlie0 wrote: post #15

Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds. Can't move out of a HCOL and now you have to co-ordinate with your co-workers to reap any "benefits" of being in-office. What would be really cool is reconceptualizing hybrid work as quarterly retreats, where the company provides housing and other amenities for 1 to 2 weeks every quarter. This gives everyone time to bond and work on harder problems. I get this wouldn't work as…

> Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds.

Best of both world to me.

I really don't want to commute every day, that becomes exhausting. And given how miserable offices are these days (open offices everywhere), I wouldn't get anything done in an open office every day.

I've done 100% remote and while it sounded great on paper, it is a lot easier to built rapport with people if you can see them once in a while. I worked at one remote-only company for a couple years and never met anyone, everyone just tiny boxes on a zoom screen. Never felt I knew anyone.

Going to the office once a week is great. I get to know people personally and while the open office is miserable I don't even pretend to sit down and work on the office day, I stack it with meetings (both formal and informal).

As to the HCOL area it still helps. A commute that would be insane every day becomes a lot more palatable if it's once a week.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by jimkleiber »

threetonesun wrote: post #95
jimkleiber wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious to know what types of interactions happen on that 90% of her time on video calls. If it's one-on-one meetings all day over video call, I can imagine why they might want to have them in the same room with someone as video calls can really drain some people (including me).

A lot of larger companies already have distributed teams though, so even if you are in an office you often can't get everyone into the same room, and you have to do a video call no matter what.

Fair point, I guess I was more trying to imagine what the day looks like for someone who has a managerial role. I imagine people coding or doing spreadsheets or designing may often prefer remote because of the increased focus (unless they have domestic distractions), whereas a manager's job seems to be a lot of conversations with people and getting a feel for the group and individual performance and dynamics.
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