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Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by Devasta »

tsukikage wrote: post #85
mjburgess wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the cause of a person singing is their mental states (desire, emotion, intention, etc.) and the cause of this generation of audio is that the words are associated with some backcatalogue of previous music. Listening to songs, as speaking with people, is in large part about enjoying the causes of the song rather than the mere variations in pitch. Beethoven's 5th even, purely instrumental, is enjoyable because…

Meanwhile, Hatsune Miku remains popular. There are even concerts.

Hatsune Miku has more in common with Gorillaz than AI slop.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by nonrandomstring »

thanksgiving wrote: post #145
autonomousErwin wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that the real Turing test - does it feel like it has a soul?

I want to run a experiment on humans to see if we are worthy of a turing test. 1. We tell a human (test subject) that they will be a judge but they are a test subject. We will tell them that there will be two chats -- one will have a human and the other will have a computer and they need to decide which is which. 2. We will then give them access to two real time chats but the twist is both of them will be humans. 3.…

Surely this just tests for freethinking and non-conformity. Much like Milgram and Asch found.

About a third of people are highly suggestible and agreeable, they readily follow authority, fall for scams and can be hypnotised. About a third cannot be easily conned or hypnotised, are vigilant, "disagreeable" and likely to go their own way.

Even of that highly sceptical, independent third, it takes a lot of courage to say "I totally know this is bullshit, and I'm done". Only a handful of Migram's subjects were able, not just to assert a moral objection to hurting a fellow human being, but to question or see through the whole ruse of fake scientists and stooges. Even if you can spot that, it takes rather a rare human to act on it, to call it out and walk away - or rather escape the parameters (get outside the box) you've been placed within.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by moritzwarhier »

Max-q wrote: post #113
chilmers wrote: post #101

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To me the feeling of AI generated content is less "slop" and more "in-flight magazine". It can have a surface sheen of quality that you can lure you in, but you realise it's devoid of any vitality or soul.

When recorded music was invented, musicians protested. Recorded music was devoid of any vitality or soul. Recorded music still became a hit. Then we got the synthesizer. Again we got the same complaints, lifeless and without soul. The synthesizer still became a hit. Now the next step is happening, and we see the same complaints all over. Only time will show if the next step will happen anyway. My gut feeling tells me…

I'm not sure I follow your argument, because neither synthesizers nor recordings write music.

For augmenting comoposers, sure, GenAI can be a tool like others. Musicians have been incorporating rhythms and melodies shipped with their electronic instruments for ages.

Entire genres have been defined by sounds and synth presets, too.

So I do see a bit of the similarities that you describe, but I think this is largely misleading.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by kvdveer »

dotancohen wrote: post #190
navane wrote: post #178

These songs don't have any hooks. Melodies don't get repeated. They all just meander along. I think as they get better at making these great middle of the road songs, edgy music will reemerge. Whatever AI will be good at, will immediately devalue, in the realm of arts. Just how photography gave way to non-realistic art and how drum machines made sloppy drums (or ridiculous apex twins) hip. Then, the artifacts we see…

> drum machines made sloppy drums (or ridiculous apex twins) hip. Other than The White Stripes, what popular bands have had clearly unskilled drummers? I actually enjoy listening to more amateur music, so this might be a request for recommendations of a sort.

"Sloppy drums" != "Unskilled drummer".

Maybe sloppy isn't the best term here. More like not being beat-perfect. E.g. using slightly off-beat hits or slight tempo variation as a way to emphasize other instruments or lyrics.

Pre drum computers these changes would more likely have been considered to be sloppy drumming, whereas these are more likely to signal authenticity these days.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by dspillett »

CrLf wrote: post #54

If this was an actual person performing, I would have smiled all the way to the end. Since this is AI-generated, I feel no emotion towards this, and just listened for a few seconds. It's technically interesting.

While I find the current pervasiveness of AI articles¹, artwork, & code³, irritating, especially when it claims to be something else², that is different because they often try to appear not AI generated, or are presented by others as not being.

This states from the outset that it is using AI tools, at which point I become more understanding. Someone had an idea, but lacked the singing voice or a friend with a singing voice & free time, so used a tool to fill the gap. This is better, at very least more honest, use of tech as a tool than, for instance, autotune on studio albums, IMO.

If you _really_ want it with a real human voice, perhaps contact some of the many performers on social media to suggest it might be an amusing way to generate some content to monetise. Or, of course, sing it yourself!

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[1] I've gone from clicking very few of facebook's “recommend for you” articles to clicking absolutely none of them – the number that are, or are indistinguishable from, hallucinations from an LLM that doesn't understand what is actually being written about, already dwarfs things that are worth reading. SciFi TV/film/book reviews and essays seem to be particularly affected, with “local” news links not far behind.

[2] “you won't believe this isn't AI generated!” — no, I won't, because it quite obviously is. I don't know whether to be insulted that you think just saying that will convince me otherwise or sad for the state of humanity that many do seem fooled.

[3] Too many people seem to think that slapping code out of copilot into a stackoverflow answer without nothing to check it for correctness in any way is acceptable, and before that was possible there was already too much bad (sometimes working but blatantly insecure) code out there that people were blindly copying. And that is before the potential licensing & moral issues that mean I have not yet been convinced to use anything like copilot myself, but I'm getting far off-topic here…

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by fluentbyfire »

navane wrote: post #178

These songs don't have any hooks. Melodies don't get repeated. They all just meander along. I think as they get better at making these great middle of the road songs, edgy music will reemerge. Whatever AI will be good at, will immediately devalue, in the realm of arts. Just how photography gave way to non-realistic art and how drum machines made sloppy drums (or ridiculous apex twins) hip. Then, the artifacts we see…

Only on Hacker News could people find flaws with such an awesome idea and execution.

Not all songs have hooks or refrains. Only the most formulaic ones.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by smackeyacky »

kvdveer wrote: post #205
dotancohen wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> drum machines made sloppy drums (or ridiculous apex twins) hip. Other than The White Stripes, what popular bands have had clearly unskilled drummers? I actually enjoy listening to more amateur music, so this might be a request for recommendations of a sort.

"Sloppy drums" != "Unskilled drummer". Maybe sloppy isn't the best term here. More like not being beat-perfect. E.g. using slightly off-beat hits or slight tempo variation as a way to emphasize other instruments or lyrics. Pre drum computers these changes would more likely have been considered to be sloppy drumming, whereas these are more likely to signal authenticity these days.

Don Henley was sloppy. Always a fraction of a beat behind. It turned out to be something of a hook in Eagles songs

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by vilius »

fragmede wrote: post #157
vilius wrote: post #70

I've always wanted to Billy Joel to re-release his "We Didn't Start The Fire" but with updated events. Well, here it is: https://suno.com/song/b8b33785-271f-48f2-9934-26dabb8e20ed

Fallout Boy did it better https://youtu.be/2LkVKCWL0U4

Not sure how I've missed it! Now, I just wish to live long enough to hear the 3rd iteration. Hearing how much shit has happened over the years is so soothing, yet world just keeps on spinning

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by Valakas_ »

navane wrote: post #178

These songs don't have any hooks. Melodies don't get repeated. They all just meander along. I think as they get better at making these great middle of the road songs, edgy music will reemerge. Whatever AI will be good at, will immediately devalue, in the realm of arts. Just how photography gave way to non-realistic art and how drum machines made sloppy drums (or ridiculous apex twins) hip. Then, the artifacts we see…

>These songs don't have any hooks. Melodies don't get repeated. They all just meander along.

Yet. This is the worst it will ever be. Enjoy.

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