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SFMTA's train system running on floppy disks; city fears 'catastrophic failure'

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Re: SFMTA's train system running on floppy disks; city fears 'catastrophic failure'

#201
I grew up in the south and was fortunate enough to move to the Bay a few years ago.

I was expecting it to be some kind of utopia, with futuristic technology on every corner.

In reality, it is roughly the same as anywhere else in America. A bit of a let down. The innovation does not take place in the infrastructure.

Beautiful place, though!

Re: SFMTA's train system running on floppy disks; city fears 'catastrophic failure'

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These "sirens" actually need to be able to play spoken announcements - something they did easily since about 2005, before the fumbled 2019-2024 shutdown/upgrade. More history, through January 2022, via JWZ's blog: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/01/the-reason-the-tuesday-noon...

JWZ doesn't like HN and doesn't want his site being linked to on here so your URL redirects to a crude image.

what a delightfully epic troll, good on jwz :)))

Re: SFMTA's train system running on floppy disks; city fears 'catastrophic failure'

#205

I grew up in the south and was fortunate enough to move to the Bay a few years ago. I was expecting it to be some kind of utopia, with futuristic technology on every corner. In reality, it is roughly the same as anywhere else in America. A bit of a let down. The innovation does not take place in the infrastructure. Beautiful place, though!

If you count Waymo as futuristic technology* then you actually see it fairly often.

*: Many people don't. Self-driving cars are better than human-driven cars, but affordable and reliable trains are even better.

Re: SFMTA's train system running on floppy disks; city fears 'catastrophic failure'

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post #202

Upgrade? More like launch the process of planning for drafting a bid solicitation announcement. If I were 3.5" floppies, I wouldn't worry about retirement any time soon.

No, not 3.5, they said 5, but I think they mean 5 1/4. Think they could use floppy emulators, and get another 20 years out of the controls?

Re: SFMTA's train system running on floppy disks; city fears 'catastrophic failure'

#207

I grew up in the south and was fortunate enough to move to the Bay a few years ago. I was expecting it to be some kind of utopia, with futuristic technology on every corner. In reality, it is roughly the same as anywhere else in America. A bit of a let down. The innovation does not take place in the infrastructure. Beautiful place, though!

I've shared this experience/opinion with folks nearly verbatim :) Especially after having seen what I took to be a very well-integrated transit system in Chicago, the fragmented and confusing Bay Area experience was quite different from what I expected.

Re: SFMTA's train system running on floppy disks; city fears 'catastrophic failure'

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post #202

Upgrade? More like launch the process of planning for drafting a bid solicitation announcement. If I were 3.5" floppies, I wouldn't worry about retirement any time soon.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/5-25-inch-floppy-dis...

"The San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency (SFMTA), which runs the city's Muni Metro light rail, claims to be the first US agency to adopt floppy disks. But today, the SFMTA is eager to abandon its reliance on 5¼-inch floppy disks—just give it about six more years and a few hundred more million dollars."

yea for Unicode Character “¼”

Re: SFMTA's train system running on floppy disks; city fears 'catastrophic failure'

#209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it needs replacing they say. It sounds like they let this problem fester until it has reached this existential end. They clamor for new technology, which they get, then they use the most risk adverse management strategy and never upgrade or change it, until it reaches this problem state. They either need significant third party help deploying and managing this system, or they should go back a few generations of tec…

> I guess the people who work on public transit aren't interested in having the best public transit system available. They're only interested in keeping it running for as long as possible with zero changes or responsibility. Let me guess, you also think public servants are lazy, overpaid and unskilled? Comments like this belie how many people form opinions of public agencies without having any real experience with go…

> Let me guess, you also think public servants are lazy, overpaid and unskilled? Comments like this belie how many people form opinions of public agencies without having any real experience with government.

I think American public servants are lazy, overpaid, and unskilled, yes. You don’t need experience running the government to know that the government sucks at its job, just like Windows users could tell Windows 95 sucked without being programmers themselves.

US transit systems almost uniformly suck compared to those in other developed countries, while costing the public just as much money, and in many cases a lot more money: https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephensmith/2011/12/11/surpris.... (“ The Swiss Transit department made a presentation a year or two ago in San Francisco. As far as I could tell, the public transit subsidies for all of Switzerland are in the neighborhood of the subsidies for transit in the Bay Area… He gives total [Swiss] transit subsidies at $1.5 billion.The 2009 MTC report gives Bay Area transit subsidies at $1.3 billion.”).

Re: SFMTA's train system running on floppy disks; city fears 'catastrophic failure'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have this feeling that they meant 1988 instead of 1998 ....but I could be wrong? Edit: Even the news article hints at 5 inch floppy disks...which makes 1998 make absolutely no sense to me at least. https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-train-system-has-been-run... .

I'm not sure moving it back a whole decade saves them? My family's first PC in 1987 had a hard disk. The Wikipedia quote they provide lines up with that, and provides a more authoritative point of when it was introduced. And yeah, the "5 inch floppy" quote paired with a photo of a diskette. God only knows what actual hardware the system uses. But point being … the journalist doesn't seem to have found out.

Many computers in the late 1980's came with hard disks, but the cheapest ones did not.
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