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Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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I'm on a 5 years old phone with Android 14. The OEM stopped the update on Android 11 but the Custom ROM community is going strong. Not only do I now have the latest software that works smoother, but also better camera with GCam, no ads systemwide, better privacy controls through Warden and other similar apps. I just avoided e-waste.

> Not only do I now have the latest software that works smoother, but also better camera with GCam, no ads systemwide, better privacy controls through Warden and other similar apps. Sounds like a lot of that functionality could be achieved by just buying an iPhone instead. The 6s received updates through 7 major versions.

With Android, I'm an admin of my phone with full control. With iPhone, you're just a user.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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Yeah, and it's easily solvable with a sticker or a dremel to scrape the number off

You can't dremel it out of the chip, though.

Well technically you can. The card won't be so usable after that though. ;)

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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Did you intend to reply to a different comment?

No! My comments re: Ontario pre-court conference, were meant to highlight a reaspn why this might have been settled before small claims coirt. I suspect a similar thing happens in the UK, and that forced conference ensures companies must hear reasoning, arguments in full before the case. In Ontario, it's very informal. You just talk. The retired judge only intercedes if it becomes heated, or runs long. It helps solve…

Mediation is offered in the UK, in the hope that it reduces the number of cases that proceed to a hearing. I don't know whether it was used in this case.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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With the increasing difficulty (impossibility) of bootloader unlocking that most manufacturers are building into their Android devices, I wonder whether it's market reasons (the longer the devices are operational, the longer upgrade cycle) or pressure from intelligence agencies due to minimised Google / telemetry data back doors in custom ROMs. Using the "simplest answer is often the best" approach, it would historic…

It would then be quite shocking to know that Google's Pixel phones consistently allowed unlocking without any nonsense like online verification. They also support relocking your bootloaders as well as using your own signing keys for secure boot.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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Besides the point here, but why is it so diabolically hard to decline cookies on this site?

I'm not sure cookie declining is the way to go these days. You can use "I still don't care about cookies" to stop the dumb pop ups and something like "Firefox Total Cookie Protection" if you don't want to be tracked?

Personally I set Firefox to auto clear cookies on window close except some whitelisted sites. I just use accept all most of the times since it will be cleared anyways.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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I can certainly remember mine from repeated use, but I can't say I've ever heard of someone erasing it

I have done it since many years ago

You can always tell what part of the HN regularly goes outside and interacts with normal people. I’m sorry but “just memorize the CVV and erase it from the card” isn’t something anyone really does. The comment that Google Wallet is more secure is a generally applicable comment.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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You can't dremel it out of the chip, though.

Well technically you can. The card won't be so usable after that though. ;)

Destroying the chip is easy, actually chiseling away the correct trapped electrons making up the PAN in the EEPROM is the challenge ;)

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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This is rubbish. I'm running GrapheneOS and have left my bootloader unlocked, and there's no app that has refused to work. The only caveat is some of them need Google Play services. No, I am not rooted, but my last phone was rooted and there might have been one or two apps out of dozens that wouldn't work with root even with Magisk trying to hide the root status. Using a custom ROM is easily one of the beat choices I…

What are the downsides with GrapheneOS? I had a few problems with root (Netflix and banking apps) but would love my privacy. My main reason for root is the firewall to block outgoing connections from apps that are not supposed to do it

One big downside is being limited to Pixel phones, without good reason.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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the only app ive seen balk at bootloader status (to date) is google wallet. Using a phone to pay for stuff is an opsec nightmare youd only entertain so long as becoming an integrated and saleable asset in a data brokers portfolio is a life goal. 'pm uninstall' and move on, the custom rom is still far more valuable from a security perspective than bending the knee to some bespoke ecosystem payment app (especially if y…

Bank apps, Netflix, and Disney+ also won't work. There are spoofing measures though I've been burned by unlocking and rooting too often to try again, at least not while my devices are still under warranty.

Commercial copyright interests will always seek to maximize their control over the devices that play back copyrighted stuff. Banks at least have more legitimate security concerns since they involve the end user getting screwed rather than the copyright holder.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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> This has set a basic precedent I would note that technically the small claims court in the UK does not set precedents. That would be the function of a higher court.

The article also says that ASUS settled too:

    Timothy provided us with documentation of the court case and
    proof that ASUS has settled.
Isn't that fairly common when companies don't want a verdict to happen, as they expect to lose?
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