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Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by izacus »

Terretta wrote: post #100
lrvick wrote: post #50

I remain shocked anyone trusts Meta, Google, or Apple marketing on privacy. These companies are all fundamentally similar in that their proprietary software collects an insane amount of data that will end up in the hands of your enemies either by sale, court order, or security compromise. It is relatively easy to opt out of all of these companies and take some actual control over your privacy.

They are fundamentally different in that two of them derive revenue solely* from exploiting your data, and one of them doesn't. * by-and-large

Which one is the third one? All three operate advertising networks with significant revenue and run massive data collection services (e.g. find device networks, ad networks, personal health data collection, etc.)

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by klyrs »

rcarmo wrote: post #76

For privacy-conscious people, the authors certainly picked an outlet with plenty of cookies and trackers - this is what the popup shows me when I pick "customise": 17 necessary cookies 7 functional 34 statistics 49 marketing 10 unclassified This kind of thing makes the article seem... ridiculous, really. Their site is much worse at privacy than Apple.

If you're using cookie-count to determine the degree of invasiveness, you're missing the fact that Apple has exclusive root access to your phone.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by walterbell »

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #175
walterbell wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excellent. Then Apple can provide one-click, one-time opt out for all apps, instead of consuming CPU cycles, battery life and hundreds of avoidable and unwanted user actions over the lifetime of a phone. > It never gets sent to Apple and no other application can read it. Malware can read it. See the list of Apple iOS Security Updates. If Apple doesn't receive the data and the user doesn't want the data, let's avoid c…

Then malware can just turn it back on and then read it? You really don't want the malware to begin with I'm thinking.

Perhaps we can go beyond "disable" and have the ability to DELETE all application code related to Siri?

Similar to Microsoft having to separate/unbundle their web browser from their operating system.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by alemanek »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #191
hk1337 wrote: post #180

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I know it's crazy but I trust Apple a lot more than I would Google or Meta when it comes to my data.

Snowden revealed the PRISM program which shows that the US government works with Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft etc to surveil the public.

I don’t expect to be able to have privacy in the face of a state actor.

I just want the company to keep my data private from other commercial players. Like don’t sell all my data to anyone who asks or use it to create an invasive model to then advertise/manipulate me.

I think it is reasonable to say that Apple is better on that front than Meta or Google.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by ksec »

makeitdouble wrote: post #47
ksec wrote: post #33

The word privacy means so many different things to different people it is hard to discuss about it without first defining it. The word "privacy" in modern sense has been twisted to mean anonymous. So any data collection in absolute terms is an invasion of Privacy. Hence the confusion. The word "privacy" in Apple sense was that only they can collect information about you. But not any other third party without permissi…

> The word "privacy" in Apple sense was that only they can collect information about you That doesn't sound like anyone's definition of privacy outside of Apple. Are you positive you think this defintion isn't twisted ?

It is definitely twisted. When Apple collect information about you, most response were ( before the current headline ) "Oh I trust Apple so it is totally fine. Because they dont do Ads"

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by fkyoureadthedoc »

r3d0c wrote: post #198
fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #175

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Then malware can just turn it back on and then read it? You really don't want the malware to begin with I'm thinking.

that's like saying cars shouldn't have seatbelts, they should be designed to not be in accidents in the first place

It's really not at all. Just stay away from using analogies in public until you have more practice with them.

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Post by user_7832 »

gumby wrote: post #173
everdrive wrote: post #56

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It would be much better if I could just uninstall Siri. I don't want a voice assistant, and never have.

“Siri” (whatever it has morphed into) is a pervasive DWIM engine in iOS these days. When you do a search for an app Siri decides what to display (e.g. when I go to a certain location with a “smart” lock and pull down search, the app for that lock is always offered first, but never in other locations). These days the voice part is just a UI mode. I use it on my watch and occasionally on my phone when I am wearing earb…

> DWIM

Thanks, learnt something new! (It stands for Do What I Mean).

Interesting pages:

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DWIM 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishmen...

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by fkyoureadthedoc »

wkat4242 wrote: post #66
threeseed wrote: post #43

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Users want to be able to search for apps, contacts, mail etc which is why it’s a standard feature of every operating system. The idea that there is this demand to fully disable it is bizarre to me. And if you have malware that can access the entire file system then reading a Siri search index is the least of your troubles.

I never use this on Android really. If I look for a mail I search within outlook. And in fact emails in outlook don't show up in the global search, I just looked. Same with contacts in the phone app. If I look for an app I just find the icon in the list because I don't have so many. A global search is a cool feature for people who don't know where to look but it's not something that everyone would want.

I'm the opposite, universal search for everything. Want to open an app? Pull down and search. Want to find a message someone sent me? Pull down and search. Want to search the web? Pull down and search.

> A global search is a cool feature for people who don't know where to look

Not sure these people exist in enough numbers to justify a mention, or that the feature is primarily used by or useful to these supposed users.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by traceroute66 »

herpdyderp wrote: post #160
traceroute66 wrote: post #81

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> Apple should provide an option to opt-out of Siri "learn from app" for ALL applications. You can. Use the free Apple Configurator tool to generate a profile that has: - "Allow Siri" unchecked - "Allow Siri Suggestions" unchecked Apple Configuratior is great. You can disable all sorts of things, e.g. iCloud access. If your iPhone is on $org MDM, you can do the same on MDM.

The Apple Configurator is only allowed for a Managed Apple ID.

> The Apple Configurator is only allowed for a Managed Apple ID.

Huh ? Its available freely via the App Store.

No restrictions whatsoever on who may download and use it.

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