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Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by nickburns »

nickpp wrote: post #97
nickburns wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'voting with one's wallet' is a euphemism hardly to do with the democratic process in any real sense.

Maybe in theory. But in practice, I've enacted much more change in the society voting with my money than I ever did with my actual vote. In fact, I think my actual vote has never in my life counted. My choice never won, my candidate never got in. I lived both under a communist dictatorship and democracy. My actual vote (well, my parent's, I was too young to vote then) was wasted under both. But every time I purchase…

coming back to this comment, and i just wanted to say...

i take your points well. and would also offer that you have a personal life experience which is fascinating to me given my upbringing in quintessential USA.

'voting with one's wallet' as a concept has more to do with the (English anyway) word for 'boycott.' a boycott, unlike governmental regulation, is something strictly reserved for private individuals to carry out. governments cannot legally boycott anything, at least that comes to mind. but they do have implicit (sometimes called 'plenary') authority to regulate the private market.

both, boycott (i.e. freedom of speech and to assemble, etc.) and lawful governmental regulation, are but of course myriad components of a healthy, functioning democracy.

nice exchanging ideas with you.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by Rinzler89 »

overstay8930 wrote: post #192
Rinzler89 wrote: post #178

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I'm asking you to prove the statistics of people being hacked in larger numbers because of open handsets, not that theoretically locked down ones seem more secure.

You mean the massive bot nets running on android and not on iOS?

Which Aneroid phone botnets? How many are on my Android phone right now?

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by Rinzler89 »

nickpp wrote: post #199
Rinzler89 wrote: post #181

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>But exactly because we want open platforms in the future, we need to be on Apple's side on this one. Tell me the name of your dispensary because I also want to buy what you've been smoking. >But exactly because we want open platforms in the future, we need to be on Apple's side on this one. It sounds counter intuitive because it totally is. >Because it's clear we need both closed and open platforms on the market - e…

> Why in the name of Christ do we need closed platforms? Is it hard for you to accept the fact that other people make different choices? The market has spoken already and Apples success indicates that yes, people do want closed platforms as well. Pretending iOS's security is not the best on the market right now is simply being in denial. But I am not arguing for closed solutions. I am arguing for an ecosystem with bo…

>Europe was keeping up with USA just fine until about 15 years ago.

Keeping up how? let's go back 15 years ago: All the top GPUs were American, all the top CPUs were American, all the top SW companies were American, all the successful mobile platforms were American(Nokia was dying), all the top social media platforms were American, all the top PC manufacturers were American(and Chinese), all top semiconductor makers were American(and Asian), all the top financial institutions and VC funds were American(coincidence that money correlates with top tech?). etc

Where was Europe keeping up exactly? Oh yea, we had one Swedish music service whoopdie-doo.

>So the problem can't be one of the reasons you listed

Really? You don't think having the word's reserve money printer that fuels the stronger VC sector in the world that's absent in the EU, doesn't count? Or that Europe has 26 different markets with 26 deferent legal systems and languages and consumer spending habits? You think all those didn't matter when scaling up a start-up across the continent? You really are clueless.

> What changed lately was the onerous amount of regulation being added and a strong left turn in economic policy. Together they brought the unfolding disaster we are witnessing today.

Please tell me exactly which specific EU regulations of the past 15 years are preventing you from scaling a successful EU start-up? Is it the regulations like you say, or is it the lack of VC funding like I said?

>Because they aren't selling you a device. They are selling you access to their platform.

Where? If I go in the shops, I see iPhones for sale, not subscription to the iPhone service.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by dagmx »

nottorp wrote: post #197
dagmx wrote: post #195

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Which one? I see no mention of Apple blocking notarization of the app.

Whatever app had to add a ... map?

That has nothing to do with notarization though. That’s just system rules.

iOS restricts what apps can run in the background based on their capabilities.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by nottorp »

dagmx wrote: post #204
nottorp wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever app had to add a ... map?

That has nothing to do with notarization though. That’s just system rules. iOS restricts what apps can run in the background based on their capabilities.

Did it do anything useful for the user yes/no? Was it rejected by Apple because it didn't fit the usage patterns they could think of in Cupertino yes/no?

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by dagmx »

nottorp wrote: post #205
dagmx wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has nothing to do with notarization though. That’s just system rules. iOS restricts what apps can run in the background based on their capabilities.

Did it do anything useful for the user yes/no? Was it rejected by Apple because it didn't fit the usage patterns they could think of in Cupertino yes/no?

At this point, it’s clear you’re not even trying to understand the difference between the following

1. App Store rules

2. Notarization of apps outside the App Store

3. System rules like security and task scheduling

They are independent concerns. You’re conflating the limitations of the third point and blaming it on the first two.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by nottorp »

dagmx wrote: post #206
nottorp wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did it do anything useful for the user yes/no? Was it rejected by Apple because it didn't fit the usage patterns they could think of in Cupertino yes/no?

At this point, it’s clear you’re not even trying to understand the difference between the following 1. App Store rules 2. Notarization of apps outside the App Store 3. System rules like security and task scheduling They are independent concerns. You’re conflating the limitations of the third point and blaming it on the first two.

The passing the blame game yes …

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by overstay8930 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #202
overstay8930 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the massive bot nets running on android and not on iOS?

Which Aneroid phone botnets? How many are on my Android phone right now?

Do you want a list of them?

https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2021/02/android-devic...

Again, android is a security shithole because of what you want to happen to iOS.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by nickburns »

overstay8930 wrote: post #208
Rinzler89 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which Aneroid phone botnets? How many are on my Android phone right now?

Do you want a list of them? https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2021/02/android-devic... Again, android is a security shithole because of what you want to happen to iOS.

the universe is a "security shithole" unless one can competently protect oneself or have a competent protector/s do it for them.

i certainly don't feel like Apple nor Alphabet is in any vested position to protect me any more competently than i would at least want to have the option to try do for myself. how this post even otherwise tumbled down the 'iPhone versus Droid' bottomless pit is missing that point entirely.

food for thought.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by cjk2 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #194
cjk2 wrote: post #175

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I really dislike the anecdotes don't make a statistic line. As an actual qualified mathematician it pisses me off that my field is used in vain to discard experience. I mean would you ok if I waltzed into the middle of a town square and shot a load of people and said "well statistically you'll all be fine"? No I'm sure you wouldn't. It is not ok that anyone gets shot or their system ripped off with a keylogger. Not o…

You're fighting your own strawmen here. I never made such claims or draw such conclusions. Maybe stick to math.

Might want to learn to read.
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