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Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Post by thisgoesnowhere »

scarface_74 wrote: post #200
thisgoesnowhere wrote: post #199

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> Your citation gets trotted out all of the time in these arguments like anyone in 2024 can’t put a video on a website and distribute it anywhere in the world. It's about scale, if you didn't read my first message then that's fine but just so you can ignore it again. Me spilling 1 oz oil in my front yard is different that BP spilling millions of gallons. Similarly Apple and Netflix teaming up is different than me and…

And you still didn’t answer any of my questions. But first, no one was talking about Apple and Netflix teaming up. Those are two competitors and independent companies in the same space - streaming. The discussion was about vertical integration where one company gets to distribute its own content. It was specifically decided Epic vs Apple that a monopoly isn’t being in control of your own content. Nintendo is also not…

I'm not answering your questions because they are stupid and you are just trying to cause inaction by being overly verbose.

> But first, no one was talking about Apple and Netflix teaming up.

I said Apple instead of Facebook to show how needlessly pedantic you are. There is absolutely no difference between Apple and Facebook here the point is the scale of the company (as I have said)

I wish you to have a needlessly pedantic life and I hope we never cross paths again.

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Post by scarface_74 »

thisgoesnowhere wrote: post #201
scarface_74 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you still didn’t answer any of my questions. But first, no one was talking about Apple and Netflix teaming up. Those are two competitors and independent companies in the same space - streaming. The discussion was about vertical integration where one company gets to distribute its own content. It was specifically decided Epic vs Apple that a monopoly isn’t being in control of your own content. Nintendo is also not…

I'm not answering your questions because they are stupid and you are just trying to cause inaction by being overly verbose. > But first, no one was talking about Apple and Netflix teaming up. I said Apple instead of Facebook to show how needlessly pedantic you are. There is absolutely no difference between Apple and Facebook here the point is the scale of the company (as I have said) I wish you to have a needlessly p…

and you still didn’t answer my very real questions.

If the US bans vertical integration for companies headquartered in the US, do they also block people from accessing content over the internet that is produced by vertically integrated players that is created overseas?

Exactly what type of content should not be allowed to be self distributed? News? Religious content? Fictional content? Documentaries? Trailers? Physical goods?

Do you want the government deciding what private corporations can distribute over the internet and do you want to block foreign content that doesn’t follow those rules?

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Post by AnotherGoodName »

tety wrote: post #182
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #135

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Google docs literally has the exact same feature and we're not even talking about it. Using the exact same OAuth framework as here you can grant Netflix and Spotify the right to read everything and all comments in your Google Docs. You can even grant them the right to read all your emails in Gmail! In all seriousness i believe anyone providing oauth should just shut it down at this point, Cambridge Analytica was enti…

In order to write something that reads user emails in Google APIs you have to go through multiple levels of hell, so I don't think that's a fair comparison

It seems you have to do that here too though. In the end you have to deal with the headline the media can write about it.

If Netflix and Spotify went through the vetting process for the purposes of enabling an in-app email client the media could write pretty much the same headline.

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Post by thisgoesnowhere »

scarface_74 wrote: post #202
thisgoesnowhere wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not answering your questions because they are stupid and you are just trying to cause inaction by being overly verbose. > But first, no one was talking about Apple and Netflix teaming up. I said Apple instead of Facebook to show how needlessly pedantic you are. There is absolutely no difference between Apple and Facebook here the point is the scale of the company (as I have said) I wish you to have a needlessly p…

and you still didn’t answer my very real questions. If the US bans vertical integration for companies headquartered in the US, do they also block people from accessing content over the internet that is produced by vertically integrated players that is created overseas? Exactly what type of content should not be allowed to be self distributed? News? Religious content? Fictional content? Documentaries? Trailers? Physic…

It must be really hard to navigate the world when you think there should be never changing rules for every possible situation.

I feel really sorry for you and anyone who things that laws are IFTTT style rules.

Hope you find happiness at some point

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Post by benreesman »

1oooqooq wrote: post #197
benreesman wrote: post #190

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A remarkably astute analysis based on very limited information. My job was to use information retrieval, machine learning / AI, auction theory, and pragmatic statistical sampling to both accurately model and stably price ads inventory and later dollarized organic inventory to drive specific policy agendas about what got clicked on, dwelled on, commented on, seen in recommender systems in equilibrium to achieve specif…

oh the "monetization wizard" team. driving excel with hundreds of sheets to squeeze regulated products till the last drop. while documenting all the tweaks for the next round of certification with trepidly named forprofit industry self regulatory watch dogs. all the sexy stuff like Bluetooth beacon, and reverse email targeting etc are all before your team, because they're still not regulated and are profitable. i bet…

There’s a new thing happening in Silicon Valley particularly and technology generally: we don’t need people like you anymore.

As with a lot of terms, “brogrammer” is one that initially referred to something progressive but got co-opted by the kind of people whose value add is “shady games”.

There’s a breed of elite hackers now who understand power dynamics, the importance of optics, the value that accrues to which parts of the apparatus, and daydreams while outmaneuvering anyone who ever contemplated an MBA, which is an admission that you can’t hack it when the distributions go non-stationary or the wire-to-wire latency target at 7 nines is below a mike.

I don’t generally like to call attention to this, but my friend and former colleague Antonio Garcia Martinez of Goldman, Cal applied physics, Silicon Valley, and many other kinds of fame was very gracious to me in a NYT best-seller about a great many things but among them how I was a kind of synthesis of the kind of people who (as stereotyping would have it) were either basement-dwelling geeks or glib salesmen with Anglican/Presbyterian-sounding names.

Buy the book if you care. Nick Schrock had found my photograph on the Internet and made it a Facebook cult classic at least a year before I joined in the Palo Alto office. Which is pretty early that I was #336 on the SWE staff.

There is a lot of scope for value-add from the kinds of people who the ignorant and prejudiced stereotype as “nerds”: those people in my experience are generally kind, humane, humble, and brilliant.

I’m just humane and brilliant, and I’m going to personally salt the Earth where people who talk like you do once stood.

And I’ve got no compunctions about leveraging my appearance or height or dress sense or glib vocabulary, or ease in dominating a meeting to do so.

Selective pressures have produced a breed that is simultaneously the prom king and likely to end up with a Turing, and do it all without pillaging the commons or appealing to connections.

And if any of this rubs you the wrong way, we can step outside and handle it there. You don’t want that.

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Post by scarface_74 »

thisgoesnowhere wrote: post #204
scarface_74 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and you still didn’t answer my very real questions. If the US bans vertical integration for companies headquartered in the US, do they also block people from accessing content over the internet that is produced by vertically integrated players that is created overseas? Exactly what type of content should not be allowed to be self distributed? News? Religious content? Fictional content? Documentaries? Trailers? Physic…

It must be really hard to navigate the world when you think there should be never changing rules for every possible situation. I feel really sorry for you and anyone who things that laws are IFTTT style rules. Hope you find happiness at some point

And you still didn’t answer the question. Do you think that government regulators should block foreign content on the internet if they find that content producers are also distributors?

Where do yoh draw the line about what type of media should be able to be distributed on the internet?

Are you going to fine companies for putting their own content on thier own website without going through an intermediary and how does that help consumers when every part of the delivery chain is also going to want to make a profit and thus increasing prices?

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Post by zer0zzz »

throwaway2990 wrote: post #176
zer0zzz wrote: post #132

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Agreed, and that’s how it would work. I was more highlighting the throwaway with comment that had no context or link to sources.

There’s been many stories over the years of people being advertised to from things mentioned in what’s meant to be a private conversation.

“People are saying…”

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Post by throwaway2990 »

zer0zzz wrote: post #207
throwaway2990 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s been many stories over the years of people being advertised to from things mentioned in what’s meant to be a private conversation.

“People are saying…”

“People say trust Facebook because they control the e2e and I can’t imagine an attack vector”

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Post by tety »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #203
tety wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In order to write something that reads user emails in Google APIs you have to go through multiple levels of hell, so I don't think that's a fair comparison

It seems you have to do that here too though. In the end you have to deal with the headline the media can write about it. If Netflix and Spotify went through the vetting process for the purposes of enabling an in-app email client the media could write pretty much the same headline.

Google has strict licensing for what you can do with such data (almost nothing) and you have to go through an extreme vetting process

However, this won't generate the same headline because any company can go through it, and it isn't some API sold for some special privileged company. Also the user knows it is sharing their mails (not sure if that's the case with facebook)

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Post by AnotherGoodName »

tety wrote: post #209
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems you have to do that here too though. In the end you have to deal with the headline the media can write about it. If Netflix and Spotify went through the vetting process for the purposes of enabling an in-app email client the media could write pretty much the same headline.

Google has strict licensing for what you can do with such data (almost nothing) and you have to go through an extreme vetting process However, this won't generate the same headline because any company can go through it, and it isn't some API sold for some special privileged company. Also the user knows it is sharing their mails (not sure if that's the case with facebook)

From the above post the Titan API seems to be an oauth API that's extremely vetted, hence the special name and why only spotify and netflix has access.
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