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Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

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Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

#201

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The "Killer App" for a cryptocurrency would be the ability to use it as a currency.

As the OP said, the cryptocurrency you're looking for is Monero.

"Bitcoin but its anonymous" does not make Monero a real currency.

I guess it helps that its value is relatively stable.

But I still can't realistically use it. I can't walk in a store, buy something, then pay with Monero which is obviously disqualifying on it's own. But in addition to that, if I want to give a friend some Monero I would have to walk them through making a new account with some new app which they won't do because it's pointless anyways.

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

#202

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If you want there to be a marketplace for your collectibles, NFTs are the most open way of doing that, and a lot is prebuilt.

Counter-strike had a market for collectibles well before?

It took work by a large parent company. And I don't know how third-party websites can trade those, but it must mean either Valve is managing an API or people are doing something hacky to work around that.

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

#203

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What parts of the world? In non developed countries bank fees are actually higher than in the West. In Bosnia a most basic bank account costs about $3 per month, or 60 Ethereum transactions (most people usually have 10 - 20 transaction per month). For paying bills banks usually charge a commission fee of 1%. And if you want to send money to someone 50 kms away but across the border the fee is $20 with few days wait f…

In many parts of the world people are basically cash-only and don't pay fees for handling money most of the time. The "unbanked". This is the market Ethereum wants to serve. Also I'd challenge 10-20 transactions per month. I think in many near cash-less societies it might be closer to 5 per day.

> The "unbanked". This is the market Ethereum wants to serve

M-Pesa got there first, and without the taint of cryptocurrency. It's a real, deployed, working system at scale, and has been for years. The idea that a "hope to serve" after a bit more crypto tech innovation will open an untapped market ... well, I wouldn't take it seriously. It's wishful thinking at both ends of the supply and demand equation.

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

#204

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What parts of the world? In non developed countries bank fees are actually higher than in the West. In Bosnia a most basic bank account costs about $3 per month, or 60 Ethereum transactions (most people usually have 10 - 20 transaction per month). For paying bills banks usually charge a commission fee of 1%. And if you want to send money to someone 50 kms away but across the border the fee is $20 with few days wait f…

In many parts of the world people are basically cash-only and don't pay fees for handling money most of the time. The "unbanked". This is the market Ethereum wants to serve. Also I'd challenge 10-20 transactions per month. I think in many near cash-less societies it might be closer to 5 per day.

Bosnia and eastern and most of europe in general is certainly not cash-less nor do most people desire that

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

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I made a typographical error because I typed that with my thumb: the gentleman’s name is Dr. Philip Wadler FRS FRSE ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Wadler ), I also forgot his proper title as a Fellow of the Royal Society. The contributions that merited his inclusion in a group that includes (in computing alone) people like Charles Babbage KH FRS and Alan Turing OBE FRS are too numerous for any HN comment: h…

> I agree that git is a blockchain Wait, isn't git more of a merkle-DAG? I thought one of the defining features of blockchains was effectively branchless global state. My understanding is that DAGs are a superset of blockchains. Is this a wrong? My comment about "blockchain junk" is mainly in response to the fact that it's nearly impossible to find any investment/involvement in the space without running into complete…

You sound like someone who knows your stuff on this and I regret if I was in any way making it sound personal or disrespectful to you personally. I maintain it’s an unfortunate if not offensive phrasing, but I’m in no position to carry rocks around glass houses: I say unfortunately or offensively-phrased things too.

There isn’t really a robust consensus that I’m aware of as to what constitutes a blockchain per se: Wikipedia lists git as one, and I suppose that’s as good a source as any absent such consensus.

git is an (often if not typically in practice degenerate) Merkle Tree, the contents of one atomic (and sometimes de facto immutable) node contain a hash (O(1)-verifiably k-equivalent… you know the drill) of ancestors.

In more pragmatic/colloquial usage I might define a blockchain loosely as a “tamper-resistant, directed, and typically acyclic / bounded-cyclic data structure with an implied machine economics optimization around infrequent but critically important fully-verifiable history subject to heuristically-determined / freely parameterized bounds on branching factor, duration in branched states, and a bounded susceptibility to adversarial interference in a verifiable consensus on the periodic elimination of branching on some semi-predicable cadence”, which is pretty hand-wavy but I think captures the spirit of the general usage. By that definition git is only a blockchain by common convention, there’s nothing preventing or even discouraging arbitrary, unbounded branching other than it doesn’t have a ton of widely valued use cases: most any time you’re fine with a branch that never has any scope to interact with any other via rebase or merge you could just make a copy or maybe a copy and a copy of some metadata/history, though git in practical terms is a good tool for such a copy.

And I think you’re right that as with any over-hyped technology, it gets attached to projects that don’t need it when it’s “hot”, preoccupies both investors and entrepreneurs without better ideas for how to deploy their time and money when it’s “in”, and is therefore constantly oscillating between being a magnet for snake-oil types and being out in the cold.

Throw in a bunch of electricity consumption that’s maybe net driving up carbon emissions and maybe net attaching a financial incentive to electricity so cheap that it basically has to be renewable but it’s kinda too soon to tell, and I think I’m now having trouble seeing how crypto three years ago and “AI” last year are any different along these dimensions.

The difference in my view is that AI is probably higher variance by a lot on social welfare, and not because of some dumbass “paperclip-indifferent AGI” tripe.

Blockchain as applied to finance has the scope to create transparency into financial markets and compel governments to open the books on what is and isn’t legal regarding money, for who, and why. It will never like, totally disintermediate government from money, because money is the #1 national security priority of any functioning government, so inventing money that the government can’t control is more likely to buy you a R9x than a Turing Award (in a macabre way it’s darkly amusing to contemplate the fact that it could buy you both). It also has a positive (in my view) externality of creating broad-spectrum incentives for the public to understand a little better how important digital identity, security, privacy, and autonomy are in 2024 and build at least a little muscle memory around running a slightly or maybe even substantially tighter ship on personal digital footprint. I’ve apologized to two friends this week because I lied to them about something that is now news that recently broke on the Onavo/Meta thing TechCrunch ran and I wanted them to hear it from me. I lied about this because before it hit the press, I felt it would have been detrimental to the national security of the United States to talk about it, but what I really wish is that we wouldn’t end up in situations where anyone faces such dilemmas in private industry.

AI has more obviously useful applications at the consumer level (though it’s largely a solution to itself as a way to get information one could previously get from a search engine before it ruined the indexes of search engines by making arbitrarily persuasive falsehoods too cheap to meter, we’ve had spam for a long time, but spam so good it’s convincing to experts in anything other than a bad mood? That’s new.). The danger with AI is that it winds up being something other than “available weight” and “operator-aligned”, i.e. whoever is the last man standing has arbitrary unaccountable power to convince anyone of anything and prevent that from being accessed by anyone else.

So probably higher stakes.

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

#206

All this crpyto technology is fascinating. But is it used for anything? I asked this in an Ask HN today, but got no answer so far: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39852389 It looks like not a single HN reader is using blockchain technology for anything. If nobody is using blockchain technology outside of blockchain projects, what are the reasons we expect that some day we will? What could be a near term use case…

a better question is to look at how people use it, the frictions they encounter, and who works on solving those frictions just saying “speculation” as if thats not a use case misses that “financial services” are our biggest industry on the planet and thats mirrored in the blockchain space, many people solve frictions and compete with each other. it willfully ignores that all currencies are 99% held as stores of value…

Given that we are now entering another crypto hype cycle and blockchain technology, discussions often veer towards crypto and the allure of embedded tokens. I’m going to stick to the realty and opportunity: utilizing blockchain in fixed income finance.

Having spent two decades navigating the complexities of Wall Street, I know the critical problem plaguing the fixed income market: the overwhelming amount of data generated during the origination of debt instruments and the subsequent challenges in reconciliation during clearing and settlement. Night cycles, calling Bloomberg to fix security master. Calling DTCC to settle trades. Blockchain is the best technology to solve this. Only if applied correctly. Otherwise, it’s a waste.

We started with a fundamental goal: to debunk the myths and misconceptions surrounding blockchain in the securities space. Despite the pervasive FUD propagated by the media, we have now proved to regulators that securities originated on blockchain are indeed securities – not merely speculative digital assets.

At its core, we are looking to address the root cause of friction in fixed income trading: the lack of direct origination and data quality across market participants. By leveraging a permissioned network, we have proved by recording of municipal loans and securities on our blockchain. While it may not be the flashy product that garners headlines, this milestone marks a significant step forward. We also trained all of FINRA’s fixed income examiners….

Our next step is to bring brokered CDs, directly to the investors, giving them access to negotiate with the issuers. From there the goal is to extend to real-time clearing and settlement, streamlining processes and enhancing efficiency across the fixed income ecosystem.

Here's how a trade moves through our system in current state…it’s a mental journey. https://www.chicagofed.org/markets/view-lasalle-street/us-re...

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

#207

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The "Killer App" for a cryptocurrency would be the ability to use it as a currency.

imo this is less of a technical issue and more of a regulatory one in 2024. Sending and receiving large amounts of btc/eth for instance might take a minute. For lower value point of sale transactions you don't really have to wait. And that's money in your pocket at that point not an IOU like a pending transaction at a US bank. Paying capital gains on transactions and constantly changing value dampens adoption quite a…

You could maybe call it a technical issue or an issue of adoption but the fact is that no one is scanning Monero wallet QR codes to buy coffee.

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

#208

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As the OP said, the cryptocurrency you're looking for is Monero.

"Bitcoin but its anonymous" does not make Monero a real currency. I guess it helps that its value is relatively stable. But I still can't realistically use it. I can't walk in a store, buy something, then pay with Monero which is obviously disqualifying on it's own. But in addition to that, if I want to give a friend some Monero I would have to walk them through making a new account with some new app which they won't…

Shopify for monero is an idea being kicked around, there are also monero marketplaces for non- illegal things

Monero could be used in a store and some stores do take monero! Its quick, with low fees

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

#210

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I wouldn't be surprised if all that was just a made up jargon and this was a joke article. But again, it's about blockchain, so the line is thin.

There's actually interesting technology being developed here in the areas of distributed computation and zero trust systems. The implementations of Zero Knowledge Proofs and ongoing work on ZK-SNARKS I personally find most fascinating. There's a lot more to this ecosystem than just speculation. At it's core is a distributed world computer but all anyone knows about is money.exe because this stuff is immensely complex…

> At it's core is a distributed world computer but all anyone knows about is money.exe because this stuff is immensely complex.

Alternatively, because the only way to use the aforementioned distributed world computer is to engage with money.exe and buy more CoinTokens. Imagine all the kids out there who will be delighted to learn a pay-per-use code interpreter. "Hey mom, I need your credit card to cover the gas while I debug my smart contract."

But assuming you have the money to spend, it's a whole universe of possibilities! Just make sure to cash in before actually trying to use any of them.

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