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Real-time map of every Starlink satellite in orbit

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Re: Real-time map of every Starlink satellite in orbit

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You could ask a less leading question, like “would you like it if you had the ability to rent infrastructure to get access to a much better internet connection that your local ISPs, and even your own government have no chance of building themselves ?” I’m British, so this question definitely applies to me, by the way.

For a good portion of the world I think you'd have to add, "...at a price roughly equal to [insert large percentage, in places exceeding 100%] your monthly income," to get a more realisic response.

When it comes to global topics, I think a lot of people in high income countries often forget that we live in a privileged bubble.

7% of the world has a college degree.

The median full-time fast food worker in the US is in the top 6% income, globally.

Re: Real-time map of every Starlink satellite in orbit

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This is wild. I had no idea of the scope of Starlink satellites in orbit. What is the life cycle of one of these satellites? How long do they last in orbit? Can they be controlled where they crash land down? How many different versions of the satellites are in orbit? I wonder how often they have their software updated and what happens in the failure state of an unsuccessful update?

They have a lifespan of about 5 years, the limit is the amount of maneuvering propellant to compensate for atmospheric drag they have on board. Next gen, which will be launched by the much larger Starship, may have a lot more propellant. Most are in a five year orbit. This means that if SpaceX loses control of the satellite it will deorbit in five years due to atmospheric drag. Under control they deorbit within hours…

Since the satellites are in zero gravity will they continue to be in orbit forever?

Or do satellites need some power to continue to stay in orbit?

If satellites can deorbit without power what forces would cause that?

Re: Real-time map of every Starlink satellite in orbit

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They have a lifespan of about 5 years, the limit is the amount of maneuvering propellant to compensate for atmospheric drag they have on board. Next gen, which will be launched by the much larger Starship, may have a lot more propellant. Most are in a five year orbit. This means that if SpaceX loses control of the satellite it will deorbit in five years due to atmospheric drag. Under control they deorbit within hours…

Since the satellites are in zero gravity will they continue to be in orbit forever? Or do satellites need some power to continue to stay in orbit? If satellites can deorbit without power what forces would cause that?

There's wisps of atmosphere where they are. The drag causes them to slow down, which lowers their orbit. Then they hit thicker air and get more drag and go lower yet. And then they get so hot from all the friction the cook to bits.

Oversimplified.

Re: Real-time map of every Starlink satellite in orbit

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This is totally incorrect, what do you think you are seeing in the trains? You can easily see each individual satellite. Just after sunset you can see many individual satellites, not just starlink.

Starlink reduces reflectivity with shielding once the satellites are in orbit. That’s why you only see the trails on their way to insertion. Without the shield, you’re right that the satellites would be visible post insertion.

Starlink satellites are visible with a 20x80 binoculars, shortly after sunset, in the west. Later they aren't visible at all.

I do a little stargazing with binoculars.

Re: Real-time map of every Starlink satellite in orbit

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post #203

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Since the satellites are in zero gravity will they continue to be in orbit forever? Or do satellites need some power to continue to stay in orbit? If satellites can deorbit without power what forces would cause that?

There's wisps of atmosphere where they are. The drag causes them to slow down, which lowers their orbit. Then they hit thicker air and get more drag and go lower yet. And then they get so hot from all the friction the cook to bits. Oversimplified.

Yup. There's not much atmosphere way up there, but if you hit it at 17,000 miles per hour even a little bit can be significant!

Re: Real-time map of every Starlink satellite in orbit

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That was very helpful. Clicking on a few satellites and looking at their orbit confirms that. The majority do not go over the poles. Interesting that this also leaves northern Canada, Denmark and Scandinavia with what looks like not much coverage but at the same time there's coverage offered [0] in all those regions. [0] https://www.starlink.com/map

There's probably always going to be issues with getting good coverage of Scandinavia economically because (1) the physics of the orbits means that regions at the same latitude (both Northern and Southern hemisphere) "share" the satellites to an extent and (2) Scandinavia is an outlier in population density at its high latitude. In other words, there are not many other high-latitude countries with which to share the c…

I don't think so. As per sat cost goes down, you can add a few sats on a specific polar orbit that covers that area perfectly. Japan uses that kind of polar orbit.

Re: Real-time map of every Starlink satellite in orbit

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So 100Mbps for ~16k people. Barely useful. I can only ever see it being useful for real rural people, who don't get any 4G signal, but these people might also not want to pay the crazy subscription fees or $500+ for the equipment. I don't see any reason why anyone living in or <100km near a city would ever want this. 5G mobile can already provide 500Mbps and fiber is just unbeatable. At least the night sky was ruined…

>>I don't see any reason why anyone living in or Do you think being within 100km of a city guarantees good service? I used to live literally right on the outskirts of a major British city, the best internet I could get was 10mbps ADSL, not because there was nothing better in the area but because the local exchange was oversubscribed and no one could connect us with no estimate of when a space might free up. Also mobi…

Forget rural areas and small villages...

I live in Los Angeles (the city, not the county), directly in between Century City and UCLA - https://maps.app.goo.gl/vUetG5fBjaiCkfXm8.

When we moved into our house in 2020, the best wired internet we could get was 12mbit/sec ADSL. There were no 5G providers. It took months to get one cable ISP to pull wire to enable us to get >100mbit/sec downstream, but it's still limited to 20mbit/sec upstream.

Currently there is fiber internet from AT&T that comes within 200 meters of our house, but they have no announced plans come to our block.

Re: Real-time map of every Starlink satellite in orbit

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Wow, I knew Starlink had an enormous constellation, but visualizing it like that really empathizes the scope. Would be cool if one day you could get your connectivity needs handled by a single company cheaply, almost anywhere in the world, without bothering about new contracts, moving cities or country borders.

>>Would be cool if one day you could get your connectivity needs handled by a single company cheaply, almost anywhere in the world That sounds like an absolute distopian nightmare and the last person on earth that I want to be running this service is Elon Musk. In general I find it horrendous how a single american company can pollute the night sky for every human being in the world, whether they can use their service…

> the last person on earth

Being overly dramatic just makes you sound silly.

> I find it horrendous how a single american company can pollute the night sky for every human being in the world

Except of course that with the visible eye you never even see Starlink and 99.99% of humanity has never seen a single sat, and don't notice it. And of those who have most have seen a short bus of sats for a few seconds. And somehow those people are still alive.

The sky is fine and not polluted.

There are some concerns about earth based astronomy but they are often overblown. And sats are just one of many things humans do that make astronomy harder.

More regulation to take into account astronomy make some sense, but SpaceX has been a model citizen in that regard.

Re: Real-time map of every Starlink satellite in orbit

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> pollute the night sky That pollution is much much less than the light pollution from cities and aircraft (both visual and noise). If we’re going to care about pollution of the night sky it seems more effective to take on those cases that are already very intrusive.

You missed the point I was making - it's not about absolute amount of pollution, it's about the fact that Musk's company is polluting the sky for every single human on earth, despite the fact it does not provide their service for everyone on earth. People in many countries around the world now have to deal with his swarm of sattelites to look at the sky, because of an American billionaire's fantasy. That doesn't seem…

The international space treaty allows all countries to launch sats. People in the US and Musk have to look at Sats that Russia, India and Iran launched as well. Its a shared resource.

99.9999% of human who live have never seen a Starlink sat so this pollution is really not all that crazy. In fact most people find it interesting when they accidentally see one.

Also sats have been visible since literally 70 years, and many are more visible then Starlink.

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