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Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Apple and Google are for-profit corporations. Im sure they would protest that they don't need saving

I want an iphone but if they want to end the industry i cant buy one

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Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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I think they meant once. Besides digital lollipops what else is going so great in EU? jobs? economic growth? housing? immigration?

Yes? Housing is infinitely better than the US, job security can be better, work life balance is better, cities are nicer to look at, architecture is better, people are more active, fitter, have lives beyond work. The bread is better, so is the cheese. There is real food available. Public transport is plentiful. Society feels a bit less polarised. The EU is infinitely better than living in the states. At least for thi…

Interesting. I thought housing in the EU has been a challenge for generations with home ownership a difficult to impossible goal for most people, with this being the case across the region. In the US the housing affordability issue is in a few highly desirable urban areas, but not being generally case across the country.

I think the bread in the US, sans the supermarket stuff, is generally exceptional with bakeries throughout most cities that are top notch. Some of the best creameries in the world are in the US now. Beer is also generally more innovative and better. There is also a much broader food community in that I can eat food from every culture on earth with pretty high quality in every city. Europe tends to be much less diverse and less creative in its foods. However, yes, if you only eat fast food and shop at big box grocery stores (which also exist in Europe) staples are pretty low quality.

The US has a very strong and thriving food movement, and isn’t a strict monoculture by geography. There are layers upon layers of cultures intertwined throughout the country. Generically “American culture” is essentially a marketing regime for large companies selling their stuff. But the reality of America is much more complex than that, and that’s accelerated since the 1950’s, and was completely broken down in the 1990’s.

Most of the polarization stems from that destruction of the American monoculture belief system and a reaction against that. It’s the last gasp of people who see a way of thinking falling apart. But what comes out of that cultural change is excellent bread, cheese, beer, etc.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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This is one of those things where there is only upside for everyone involved. Apple (and Google) need to be saved from themselves sometimes. Meanwhile the repeated reversals are making Apple look guilty and nefarious.

Apple and Google are for-profit corporations. Im sure they would protest that they don't need saving

They aren’t a single person. There are no doubt people in those orgs who might wish to do away with all the anticompetitive strongarmsmanship in the spirit of shared technological innovation. But, its not like they have agency to change anything and the shareholders just want a growth stock not actual technological progress, so thats how they end up managed.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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post #176

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This is one of those things where there is only upside for everyone involved. Apple (and Google) need to be saved from themselves sometimes. Meanwhile the repeated reversals are making Apple look guilty and nefarious.

Apple and Google are for-profit corporations. Im sure they would protest that they don't need saving

I must be missing something, how does the second sentence logically follow from the first one?

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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> And the minimal assurances in Mr. Sweeney’s curt response were swiftly undercut by a litany of public attacks on Apple’s policies, compliance plan, and business model. So according to Apple [edit] one isn't allowed to say bad things about a company publicly or they are allowed to ban your account? Interesting view.

> So according to Apple [edit] one isn't allowed to say bad things about a company publicly or they are allowed to ban your account? Interesting view.

No, according to Apple, they believed Epic was going to violate their developer agreement again, and when they asked Sweeney for a commitment he sent them a two sentence email. His public actions were only a modifier on top of his seeming lack of committal and previous history of being a bad actor on Apple’s platform.

Spotify says bad things about Apple all the time, but they've never been banned because they've never violated Apple's rules.

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I, for once, love living in the EU

The US came very close to passing similar legislation recently and it still could. This bill had bipartisan support. Apple was able to kill it using relationships with leadership, but the votes were there. My organization Fight for the Future worked on lobbying for this, and while it's super difficult to pass legislation over big company opposition, it's not impossible. We can have similar rules in the US if we keep pushing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_App_Markets_Act

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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I find it amusing when Apple says they vet their developers and block those they don’t trust when you can’t even trust for them to not go through your public comments and bring it up against you.

You find it amusing that Apple vets their developers by … vetting their developers?

Vetting them for what? How much abuse they can take?

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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They want to minimize the amount of control lost. You cant find the limit without testing the limit.

They seem to maximizing the amount of face lost though. If you act like a bully, and then recede at the slightest resistance, you just come off looking like a fool.

The vast majority of iPhone and airpod users have no idea any of this is even happening I imagine. Even among the people who know its happening, even fewer know enough about how these systems work to actually have much of an opinion beyond parroting a headline.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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I don't think there is a strategy, this is all theater so he has some pushback if investors file complaints or lawsuits during the next quarterly results meeting. They can't say that Tim Cook didn't do everything in his power to make them even *more* money. Since, ultimately, his duty as a CEO is to prioritize the financial wealth of shareholders. If he just complied with the EU then he'd be voted out by the board by…

Microsoft and Google seem to be able to comply without publicly embarrassing themselves. Investors are not stupid, they understand that companies have to comply with the law. This behavior is totally on management. If I were a big investor I’d be more worried by this since it seems like management are acting irrationally without any plan.

If it’s not this then it’s that. I.e. https://time.com/6835975/google-gemini-backlash-bias/

None of the large tech companies lack of embarrassment.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Amazing how fast this decision was reversed. It's truly awesome to see regulators standing up to walled gardens. This will greatly benefit both developers and consumers.

This is one of those things where there is only upside for everyone involved. Apple (and Google) need to be saved from themselves sometimes. Meanwhile the repeated reversals are making Apple look guilty and nefarious.

Yeah we get to choose between google and apple. Lucky us...
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