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> Hiring a Chinese national and giving them access to trade secrets To be fair, this would have been prohibited if we subjected AI to ITAR restrictions. That said, do we know Ding was a Chinese national?

If US prevented Chinese people for working on US AI, US would be in a far worse position in AI. Half of AI contributors in US are Chinese.

> Chinese people

If you mean people of Chinese national origin, yes. If you mean Chinese nationals, I’m unconvinced.

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Japan did the same thing before and after the world wars. This is not really that new or strange. India has been doing the same thing. Russia as well.

it's standard practice to send people to more advanced countries to train and then have them come back and start companies based on what they have learned. this is why Patents only really work in local regions or within a Nation.

the biggest difference is that China has been so much more blatant and in your face with it, especially in the military technology sectors.

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Having seen something like this happen once, what probably happened was the person OP is referring to was trying to get IP in order to start their own private sector startup, and probably get some seed funding from a regional government (eg. Beijing and Hangzhou did this in the 2000s to jumpstart their tech industry) It's similar to the Israeli program in the 90s (who's name I'm blanking out on EDIT: Yozma I before i…

> It's similar to the Israeli program in the 90s (who's name I'm blanking out on EDIT: Yozma) because just like China in the 2000s-early 2010s, there wasn't a notable private sector VC industry yet. Quite an allegation... any reference to them sponsoring/encouraging stealing IP or am I misreading and you simply meant it's a government sponsored startup accelerator program?

It's not really that damaging.

Israel never recognized American software or pharmaceutical patents, and most countries do some form of Industrial Espionage (France is fairly notable in the space as well [4]).

The wildest cases tended to be back in the 1990s, when Israel was trying to build a domestic armament industry, notably by stealing American IP and selling it to the Chinese [0][1][2][3] (most modern Chinese weapons systems today are based on that IP transfer in the 1990s).

This largely ended by the mid-late 2000s when the Israeli tech industry was much more established, and Ehud Barak (edit: Olmert - mixed up his surname and the Barak middle scandal) getting arrested on corruption charges, heralding the end of Israel's Wild West days in the tech industry.

Also, Tiannammen Era sanctions from the 1990s forced Israel defense companies to pivot to India, which doesn't allow vendors to sell SKUs to India which Pakistan and China have access to, and would leverage French and Israeli SKUs based on American designs.

I highly recommend reading this GAO report from the 90s [3]

[0] - https://www.jstor.org/stable/2538128

[1] - https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/12/world/israel-selling-chin...

[2] - https://www.jstor.org/stable/1149008

[3] - https://www.gao.gov/assets/t-osi-92-6.pdf

[4] - https://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/france-intellectual-p...

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> We should be figuring out how to create a global, collective, human advantage for everyone and the planet

We haven’t solved the problem of governance. The End of History seemed close in the 1990s. But we’re back to being torn between the efficiency (and short-term stability) of authoritarian models against the flexibility (and long-term stability) of democratic ones. Until we find the model that just works, this competition is probably the best interim solution.

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Hmmm that seems like a clear cut case to report to the FBI. Yeah, assuming that they were walking around telling people about it.

The FBI gets more credible reports than it has the labor to investigate. Not to mention in this example no crime even yet occurred.

> in this example no crime even yet occurred

Interviewing for a job with the prior stated intent of pilfering their IP is fraudulent.

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This dystopian vision would require lighting the Fourth Amendment on fire and lead to widespread human rights violations of innocent people. Is corporate espionage a problem? Of course it is. Is it worth abandoning the principles of a free society for? Absolutely not.

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Japan did the same thing before and after the world wars. This is not really that new or strange. India has been doing the same thing. Russia as well. it's standard practice to send people to more advanced countries to train and then have them come back and start companies based on what they have learned. this is why Patents only really work in local regions or within a Nation. the biggest difference is that China ha…

Now the biggest issue is to get those that train to come back. A lot of Russians chose not to, same with Indians, and Japanese. China has an extensive espionage network focused on keeping track of exchange students and make sure that they fall in line. Much more so than any other nation.

have a friend from Malaysia and they had this smart idea that if you study abroad and get a PhD or Masters (as I understood it) your entire student loan would be forgiven. Again people didn't move back, so the last I hear was that they tried to make it contingent on moving back to Malaysia. My info is abitout of date since it was a pre pandemic conversation I had with him.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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What exactly sterling secrets looks like? Suppose I work on a video streaming service. Spent 8 years. Now I know in and out of it. The ffmpeg the queues the buckets the meta data and what not.

Someone hires me. I build a steaming service. But this time I'm much more polished and faster.

Is this stealing too?

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