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Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by illegalsmile »

the_third_wave wrote: post #183
blueflow wrote: post #131

Sustainability talk being about ketchup caps while rich people fly to climate conferences in their yachts. Weird world.

It is rather baffling that there are no zillionaires flying airborne yachts yet, you'd have thought that one of 'm would have gotten others to build him a modern Graf Zeppelin or similar. Apart from that, yes. Do they not realise that their hypocrisy makes their supposed engagement for the 'climate' and 'planet' null and void? Probably not or possibly they imagine they'll have enough money and power to force their id…

The Ministry for the Future presents these ideas where the ruling class and then the proletariat is forced into using ecofriendly modes of transportation like fast yachts and dirigibles for long distance travel. I imagine a future where we'll see this but it's going to take some serious unrest before the ultra wealthy give up their private jets.

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Post by azemetre »

infecto wrote: post #142
lp4vn wrote: post #4

Very nice. I live alone and often I'm baffled by the sheer amount of garbage that my urban lifestyle generates. I was not alive in the 80's but I was told that people used to use more environment-friendly packaging like glass bottles. Sometimes I wonder why this massive change to everything-should-be-packed-in-plastic happened.

Its cheaper and easier to ensure sanitary products. We love to be romantic about glass but I don't think as easy of a calculation for the total environmental use. Glass is heavier and more expensive to transport. Glass is harder to shape into sizes that make for efficient transportation, for example Costco square milk jugs. I love to use glass when I can but I don't know if using this glass jar which may not even be…

Should plastic containers shedding millions of nano particles be considered sanitary? The only reason it’s used is that the externalities aren’t properly taxed (or not banned IMO). Maybe we should not use things that are “easier” when they’re contributing to a massive amount of pollution. I mean there was an article posted here about finding microplastics in a human fetus. Yet we still continue to use it.

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Post by Fnoord »

lp4vn wrote: post #4

Very nice. I live alone and often I'm baffled by the sheer amount of garbage that my urban lifestyle generates. I was not alive in the 80's but I was told that people used to use more environment-friendly packaging like glass bottles. Sometimes I wonder why this massive change to everything-should-be-packed-in-plastic happened.

I remember that as kid, custard in glass bottles. I'd let them fall out of my hands from the fridge and my parents would get angry.

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Post by kalleboo »

Solvency wrote: post #177
kalleboo wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never lived anywhere that landfills garbage so I don't know about that.

Ah, you throw yours right into the river then.

Incineration which generates power and/or district heating

Homes that don't have electric or district heating are often heated with oil anyway, might as well have some utility to that oil before it's burned?

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Post by lupire »

trallnag wrote: post #51
notachatbot123 wrote: post #35

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> What a mess. Nothing compared to https://www.google.com/search?q=landfill+plastic&tbm=isch

Plastic trash is supposed to be burned or recycled

Plastic recycling is marketing myth to make you feel better about plastic trash.

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Post by cubefox »

lp4vn wrote: post #4

Very nice. I live alone and often I'm baffled by the sheer amount of garbage that my urban lifestyle generates. I was not alive in the 80's but I was told that people used to use more environment-friendly packaging like glass bottles. Sometimes I wonder why this massive change to everything-should-be-packed-in-plastic happened.

There are concerns that breathing in and ingesting microplastics from clothing, car tires, and packaging is causing some of the health epidemics we see in the last decades. Like rising rates of obesity, cancer, mental disorders (autism, ADHD, gender dysphoria) and decreasing sperm count and quality. But no definitive evidence exists yet. If this turns out to be true, there is a case against plastic even if it is economically superior to the alternatives.

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Post by lupire »

speff wrote: post #190
kostko wrote: post #25

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Your lifestyle does not generate garbage. Companies that sell non recyclables and non compostsbles generate garbage. Why hasnt cocacola replaced their plastics with something compostable? There are new inventions for replacing plastics out each day, I wonder where those inventions end up.

If coca cola's your example, then I'm going to affirm that yes, it is the lifestyle that generates garbage. People don't _need_ soda. But they want it at a low price that's cheaper than Pepsi. You know what that means? Coke's going to be shipping in the cheapest container possible to keep the price edge - which is plastic. If soda drinkers cared about plastic consumption, they would switch to anything that has glass…

It's not Coke vs Pepsi and pricing competition (Coke costs more than it's competitors), it's using a useless manufacturered product and shipping water in a can instead of drinking from the tap and adding a scoop of sugar and spice of your want.

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Post by reportgunner »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #180
throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #173

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It's probably from added stabilizers and not acidity. Molds do well with acidic food, as well as sugary and salty

Heinz ketchup ingredients: TOMATO CONCENTRATE FROM RED RIPE TOMATOES, DISTILLED VINEGAR, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, CORN SYRUP, SALT, SPICE, ONION POWDER, NATURAL FLAVORING. -- https://www.heinz.com/products/00013000006408-tomato-ketchup

I checked for my country (Slovakia in Europe) just out of curiosity:

- tomatoes (148g for 100g of ketchup)

- distilled vinegar

- sugar

- salt

- spice and herb extract

- spices

https://www.grizly.sk/heinz-paradajkovy-kecup-jemny-570-g

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Post by lupire »

lm28469 wrote: post #161
radicaldreamer wrote: post #32

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Recyclable is a scam perpetuated by the plastic industry. You should be using reusable glass which is expensive to replace but cheap to refill.

In Germany we have reusable thick plastic bottles, and a deposit system that's attractive enough for people to bother bringing them back (or for homeless people to collect them). Not perfect but much better than single use plastic

I don't think "army of homeless people" deserves a place in our comprehensive solution to social ills.

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Post by Hizonner »

infecto wrote: post #142
lp4vn wrote: post #4

Very nice. I live alone and often I'm baffled by the sheer amount of garbage that my urban lifestyle generates. I was not alive in the 80's but I was told that people used to use more environment-friendly packaging like glass bottles. Sometimes I wonder why this massive change to everything-should-be-packed-in-plastic happened.

Its cheaper and easier to ensure sanitary products. We love to be romantic about glass but I don't think as easy of a calculation for the total environmental use. Glass is heavier and more expensive to transport. Glass is harder to shape into sizes that make for efficient transportation, for example Costco square milk jugs. I love to use glass when I can but I don't know if using this glass jar which may not even be…

You know what's more efficient than glass? Ship the product in bulk and dispense it into the customer's container.

And a lot of products could actually be formulated on site, because most of, say, your cleaning aisle is various combinations of relatively few standard components. The biggest barrier there are certain people's desires to control information and to create the perception of distinctions that don't exist.

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