German couple in 1820 https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1avmpfo/ah_the_cla... 1943 German soldier https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1awtzf0/average_ge... Pretty funny, but what do you expect.
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Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#202What I find baffling as well is how casually people use 'whiteness' as if it was an intellectually valid concept. What does one expect to receive when asking for a picture of a white women ? A Swedish blonde ? Irish red-head ? A French brunette ? A Southern Italian ? A Lebanese ? An Irianian ? A Berber ? A Morrocan ? A Russian ? A Palestinian, A Greek, A Turk, An Arab ? Can anyone tell who of those is white or not an…
Absolutely, I remember talking about this a while ago about one of the other image generation tools. I think the prompt was like "Generate an American person" and it only came back with a very specific type of American person. But it's like... what is the right answer? Do you need to consult the census? Do we need the AI image generator to generate the exact demographics of the last census? Even if it did, I bet you…
But there are thousands of such ambiguities that the model resolves on the fly, and we don't find an issue with them. Ask it to "generate a dog in a car", and it might show you a labrador in a sedan in one generation, a poodle in a coupe in the next, etc. If we care about such details, then the prompt should be more specific.
But, of course, since race is a sensitive topic, we think that this specific detail is impossible for it to answer correctly. "Correct" in this context is whatever makes sense based on the data it was trained on. When faced with an ambiguous prompt, it should cycle through the most accurate answers, but it shouldn't hallucinate data that doesn't exist.
The only issue here is that it clearly generates wrong results from a historical standpoint, i.e. it's a hallucination. A prompt might also ask it to generate incoherent results anyway, but that shouldn't be the default result.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you try very hard not to go in one direction, you usually end up going too far in the other direction. I'm as white as they come, but I personally don't get upset about this. Racism is discrimination, discrimination implies a power imbalance. Do people of all races have equal power nowadays? Can't answer that one. I couldn't even tell you what race is, since it's an inaccurate categorisation humans came up with…
> Racism is discrimination, discrimination implies a power imbalance Google has more power than these users, that is enough power to discriminate and thus be racist.
Or "monopolist"? :D The thing is, I honestly don't know if that is or isn't the correct word for this. My point is, to me (as a European less exposed to all this culture war stuff), it doesn't seem that important. Weird and hilarious is what it is to me.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another problem is that the US spills its own problems and "solutions" onto the world as if the one true set of problems and solutions. E.g. at the height of the BLM movement there were BLM protests and marches in Sweden. 20% of Swedish population is foreign-born, and yet there are no such marches and protests about any of the ethnicities in Sweden (many of which face similar problems). Why? Because the US culture, a…
As someone not from the US this is despairing to me. I want to focus on the issues in my own country, not a foreign country's. What can I even do without giving up the Internet (much of it is UScentric)? I can only know to touch grass and hope my mind can realise when some US-only drama online isn't relevant to me.
You can’t really unless you check out completely. America isn’t a country like yours or any other. America is the global empire with hegemony everywhere. This includes not just unparalleled military might but cultural artifacts and technology and of course the dollar too. Most groups of people are more than willing to assimilate to this and you see it with imitations of hip hop, basketball preferences, fast food chains, and the imbalance in expats from the USA and every other country. There’s thousands of examples like this.
This is why you see incoherent things like Swedish youth marching for BLM.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#205> As the Daily Dot chronicles, the controversy has been promoted largely — though not exclusively — by right-wing figures attacking a tech company that’s perceived as liberal
This is double standard at its finest, imagine if the gender or race swapped, if the model is asked to generate a nurse, it gives all white male nurses, you'd think the left wing media not outraged? It will be on NYT already.
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#206And by “issues” they mean Gemini was blatantly racist, but nobody will use that word in the mainstream media because apparently it’s impossible to be racist against white people.
When you try very hard not to go in one direction, you usually end up going too far in the other direction. I'm as white as they come, but I personally don't get upset about this. Racism is discrimination, discrimination implies a power imbalance. Do people of all races have equal power nowadays? Can't answer that one. I couldn't even tell you what race is, since it's an inaccurate categorisation humans came up with…
> When you try very hard not to go in one direction, you usually end up going too far in the other direction.
Which direction were they going, actively ignoring a specific minority group?
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#207There's definitely human intervention in the model. Gemini is not true AI, it has too much human intervention in its results.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#208What I find baffling as well is how casually people use 'whiteness' as if it was an intellectually valid concept. What does one expect to receive when asking for a picture of a white women ? A Swedish blonde ? Irish red-head ? A French brunette ? A Southern Italian ? A Lebanese ? An Irianian ? A Berber ? A Morrocan ? A Russian ? A Palestinian, A Greek, A Turk, An Arab ? Can anyone tell who of those is white or not an…
>What does one expect to receive when asking for a picture of a white women ? A Swedish blonde ? Irish red-head ?
Certainly not a black man! Come on, this wouldn't be news if it got it "close enough". Right now it gets it so hilariously wrong that it's safe to assume they're actively touching this topic rather than refusing to touch it.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#209OpenAI already experienced this backlash when it was injecting words for diversity into prompts (hilariously if you asked for your prompt back it would include the words, and supposedly you could get it to render the extra words onto signs within the image). How could Google have made the same mistake but worse ?
Allowing a political agenda to drive the programming of the algorithm instead of engineering.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#210For context, here is the misstep Google is hoping never to repeat (2015):
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/01/google-so...
But now, clearly they've gone too far in the opposite direction.