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Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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This site is bizarre. If you look at their stuff on addiction, they have no grounding in current theory. And by current theory, that's from science to religious ideas like prayer, nothing they talk about matches anything in the world from hard numbers to mysticism. They also have no explanation why they break with all the current theories or where their theories come from. By now they are a HN institution, but I'd be…

What do they say about addiction? They've got so many articles on it.

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Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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post #6

This site is bizarre. If you look at their stuff on addiction, they have no grounding in current theory. And by current theory, that's from science to religious ideas like prayer, nothing they talk about matches anything in the world from hard numbers to mysticism. They also have no explanation why they break with all the current theories or where their theories come from. By now they are a HN institution, but I'd be…

What do they say about addiction? They've got so many articles on it.

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Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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post #6

This site is bizarre. If you look at their stuff on addiction, they have no grounding in current theory. And by current theory, that's from science to religious ideas like prayer, nothing they talk about matches anything in the world from hard numbers to mysticism. They also have no explanation why they break with all the current theories or where their theories come from. By now they are a HN institution, but I'd be…

What do they say about addiction? They've got so many articles on it.

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Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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> ADHD the diagnosis is a set of symptoms. ADHD is the set of symptoms. The only reason people care about the term is because you can access drugs. > “The child often has difficulty sustaining attention in tasks or play activities because she has ADHD and she has ADHD because she does not sustain her attention in tasks or play activities.” As Pérez-Álvarez (2017, p. 2) notes “the symptoms are the guarantee of the dia…

> ADHD is the set of symptoms. The formal diagnosis of ADHD, which is what I was referring to, is based on the presence of a certain set of symptoms defined by the DSM-V or ICD-11. ADHD itself, which the diagnosis aims to identify, is not the set of symptoms itself but rather the root cause of the symptoms. The symptoms point to the presence of some root cause which is ADHD.

I don't think it's logical to assume that there is one singular root cause for the symptoms of ADHD (or any other symptom based diagnosis). There are likely a number of very different distal causes, although, because they present with the same symptoms, they may involve some common mechanisms. ADHD itself is defined as its cluster of symptoms, and doesn't imply or assume any singular underlying mechanism.

For example, streptococcus infection seems to be one (relatively rare) cause of ADHD.

As our medical understanding evolves, I think a lot of conditions currently based on symptoms will be found to be a cluster of different underlying mechanisms, and may eventually be divided into different conditions with different treatment approaches.

In reality, virtually all medical conditions are symptom based. Our knowledge of biology is very primitive and incomplete, so even where we think we understand parts of the mechanism of a condition, we are probably still missing much of it, and our perspectives on these change. In that sense, it's more clinically useful to stick with symptoms which we can observe directly, and not focus on ever-changing and incomplete theories about what might cause them.

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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post #6

This site is bizarre. If you look at their stuff on addiction, they have no grounding in current theory. And by current theory, that's from science to religious ideas like prayer, nothing they talk about matches anything in the world from hard numbers to mysticism. They also have no explanation why they break with all the current theories or where their theories come from. By now they are a HN institution, but I'd be…

What do they say about addiction? They've got so many articles on it.

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Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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> ADHD is the set of symptoms. The formal diagnosis of ADHD, which is what I was referring to, is based on the presence of a certain set of symptoms defined by the DSM-V or ICD-11. ADHD itself, which the diagnosis aims to identify, is not the set of symptoms itself but rather the root cause of the symptoms. The symptoms point to the presence of some root cause which is ADHD.

I don't think it's logical to assume that there is one singular root cause for the symptoms of ADHD (or any other symptom based diagnosis). There are likely a number of very different distal causes, although, because they present with the same symptoms, they may involve some common mechanisms. ADHD itself is defined as its cluster of symptoms, and doesn't imply or assume any singular underlying mechanism. For example…

> I don't think it's logical to assume that there is one singular root cause for the symptoms of ADHD

yeah, okay. I didn't mean to assume that, but in anyone who has ADHD there must be some root cause or set of root causes that result in the disorder. I'm not saying all cases of ADHD are the same, in fact the entire point of my comment chain is to say the opposite.

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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But with the upside that it is technically unknown whether or not you actually could have pulled it off if you tried, and if every once in a while you manage to perform the impossible, that covers for 100 failures. People who don't care about their children don't care about this, of course. You have failed them simply by being a child. "Why didn't you just have better parents you stupid little brat, didn't anybody te…

It did mess up with my ego heavily. Because once in a while I would actually manage to push through anxiety and do something, and I'd succeed. Unfortunately it made me quite narcistic, as I ended up with belief that I could always succeed, if only I gave in some effort - but as I never tried to do that in practice, I ended up at the top of Dunning-Kruger curve. High ego, no skills.

Holy crap this feels so real.

Excelling at school & career at an early age, while being absolutely trashed at home/family time, gave me the anxt from sticking my head out of the room. But, at the same time, while out and about, already working on something, subconcious power trip in most interactions.

Like, when I am already on a roll, I have this vivid vision of the tasks to take & tools to use. I am quick to decide and to come up with solutions and at the same time very loud about it.

But every time I wake up, I feel worthless, scared that I am not enough, that one step into the world, means step between thousands of angry faces that want to hold my face against a gutter.

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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I haven't really heard about ADHD framed as a working memory impairment. Because it does seem like an easy workaround via religiously following pomodoro - every 25 mins a reminder that you should look at your task list. It's hard to argue that someone can manage to ignore an alarm ringing every 25 minutes. I thought of it more as you actually do know what you should be doing, but there is something a lot more interes…

The working memory impairment idea comes up a lot. I don't know that it's necessarily "scientifically correct" but it feels subjectively true to me, and thinking about it this way seems to help. Here's the thing: I know what's important, I know that hard work is one of my core values, etc. I just don't remember any of this when stressed and the brain goes for the shiniest thing that gives immediate gratification and…

I've actually found these takes quite interesting, though I wouldn't say I am in agreement.

You might find some of Freddie de Boer's writing on disability interesting, such as this piece [1], this one [2], and others.

[1] https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/your-mental-illness-bel...

[2] https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/the-gentrification-of-d...

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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I post whatever I find interesting and occasionally throw in one of the articles I worked on. If people find it interesting or useful, great, if not, that's okay too.

Is this a case of the former or latter?

Seems like the latter https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31434220

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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How does exercise affect a child with ADHD? I always see these portrayals of ADHD children being hyperactive and just think: what if you just made them run outside for a while...surely they can't have never-ending energy and eventually tired themselves out. And after this period of exertion, when they rest, do they then just instantly revert back to 100% hyperactivity?

The physical hyperactivity is often a pretty minor symptom of ADHD, bigger issues for many kids are things like inability to regulate emotions, e.g. causing violent outbursts over small things, or inability to focus, e.g. not able to do school work. The physical hyperactivity, like other ADHD symptoms, is a lack of executive control- the person cannot choose to stop moving even though they want to, or feel they shoul…

It's very interesting. I wish I could observe it.

Don't you wonder though how evolution allowed this trait to come so far though, especially with it being so prevalent.

Potentially it meant that for centuries there have been children with poor school grades who simply went off into lower-income careers that they were suited to.

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