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Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by reneherse »

awskinda wrote: post #195
testfrequency wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the same exact experience. It’s felt more like I was playing a simulator game of myself coding, and it was not enjoyable at all. I often wonder how people who actually work at fast paced places as engineers are claiming to be more productive with this strapped on. If I just ingested and read email and slack messages all day, or talked in zoom all day, sure (maybe), but I don’t.

I’m not extremely productive, but I have 2 use-cases I’m excited about. 1. Having more screen real estate in my small home office. I often dive into spaghetti code, and seeing more of it helps me maintain context. 2. Working in my RV. I can’t take my extra screens with me (it’s a multi-use family RV, so I’m not mounting anything. Plus, there isn’t room.), and I’m so, so excited about having more screen real estate in…

Similarly, I'm intrigued by the possibility of using it for coding whilst aboard a sailboat, where having multiple large physical screens isn't a possibility due to limited space and lack of suitable mounting surfaces.

Very curious to see how tolerable the UX is in an environment that's almost always experiencing some degree of motion independent of the user.

Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by nilkn »

Turskarama wrote: post #194
babyshake wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There will be an inflection point with devices like Vision Pro, where you'd rather do things you do right now with a laptop, tablet or TV in the Vision Pro instead of with those other devices. Then the other devices will be the ones gathering dust. The hard part is being able to know when that inflection point comes. But I think there's a very good chance that 10 years from now, it's already behind us.

Here's my prediction for this: you need to have input with the same fidelity and ease of use as a mouse and keyboard. The mouse input analogy is probably pretty close with eye tracking, but text input? I can't even imagine what it will look like to make that work as nicely as real touch typing.

I got an acrylic tray [0] that holds a keyboard and trackpad and can comfortably sit on my lap to use with the Vision Pro. It’s truly marvelous and makes the VP feel like an actual laptop replacement, with the only real problem being that visionOS has too much iPadOS heritage and not enough MacOS.

[0] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CCS71K6P?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_...

Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by dbish »

newshorts wrote: post #199
dbish wrote: post #16

I recently had a kid and lost my office :), I've been struggling to have a set space for work when he's asleep, but would absolutely love it if I could just put on a headset. Is it workable for that? I used to try to code in the quest3 but the resolution felt like I might as well be coding on my phone. I'll go buy one today if this would be an office replacement for me.

I have literally the exact same problem. Now I can sit on my couch in a much more comfortable and ergonomic? position with 4k screen size virtual display. Plus I can watch movies with the sound on and not wake anyone up.

that's awesome. i need to check it out

Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by nilkn »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #116
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #33

This is my goal and hope, but I'll temper OP's points with how things stand today. Background: I got my AVP on Monday 5th (having gotten up before dawn to place my order when it first became available). I am a programmer with a multi-screen setup to maximize my usable workspace, which consists of editor, terminal, and browser windows. My hope is for the AVP to replace a set of fixed screens, and have in effect infini…

its been 14 years on the iPad and even longer on MacOS and neither of them have good window management, I really don't think Apple will come up with a good solution on the vision pro

MacOS has had features like expose and Mission Control for many years. Even something like that would be a big step forward for window management in visionOS.

Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by steve1977 »

babyshake wrote: post #184
ngokevin wrote: post #95

When reading about headset experiences, I'd de-weigh any insights that are within 3 months of the first headset purchase. The first few dozen sessions are novel, you get a kick (and social media views) about sharing how completely your life has changed to fit the headset. More often than not, it's collecting dust on the shelf within a few months. Sort of like an expensive blender you were so excited to get, you imagi…

There will be an inflection point with devices like Vision Pro, where you'd rather do things you do right now with a laptop, tablet or TV in the Vision Pro instead of with those other devices. Then the other devices will be the ones gathering dust. The hard part is being able to know when that inflection point comes. But I think there's a very good chance that 10 years from now, it's already behind us.

if putting on the Vision Pro is as fast and seamless as grabbing a tablet or opening up your laptop I guess.

Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by randmeerkat »

reneherse wrote: post #201
awskinda wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not extremely productive, but I have 2 use-cases I’m excited about. 1. Having more screen real estate in my small home office. I often dive into spaghetti code, and seeing more of it helps me maintain context. 2. Working in my RV. I can’t take my extra screens with me (it’s a multi-use family RV, so I’m not mounting anything. Plus, there isn’t room.), and I’m so, so excited about having more screen real estate in…

Similarly, I'm intrigued by the possibility of using it for coding whilst aboard a sailboat, where having multiple large physical screens isn't a possibility due to limited space and lack of suitable mounting surfaces. Very curious to see how tolerable the UX is in an environment that's almost always experiencing some degree of motion independent of the user.

> Similarly, I'm intrigued by the possibility of using it for coding whilst aboard a sailboat, where having multiple large physical screens isn't a possibility due to limited space and lack of suitable mounting surfaces.

It’s amazing to me what people will do to avoid being present in the moment. You’re on a sailboat, enjoy it, smell the ocean, feel the water on your face, breathe deeply and take it all in. If you’re just going to strap goggles on your face to blind you to the beauty around you, then why did you even get a sailboat to begin with?

Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by eloisius »

lolinder wrote: post #200
babyshake wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There will be an inflection point with devices like Vision Pro, where you'd rather do things you do right now with a laptop, tablet or TV in the Vision Pro instead of with those other devices. Then the other devices will be the ones gathering dust. The hard part is being able to know when that inflection point comes. But I think there's a very good chance that 10 years from now, it's already behind us.

There might be an inflection point like what you describe. It's also entirely possible that this is an evolutionary dead end like the voice interfaces that were the Next Big Thing a few years ago. We've grown so accustomed to viewing technology as a steady progression of improvements that it seems natural that the thing that Apple is pushing today will be universal in 10 years, but there's no guarantee of that, and t…

My thoughts exactly. There are almost no things I do on a daily basis where I want to go through a cognitively expensive process of changing modes into an immersive experience. Even getting my laptop out and opening it and logging in feels like too much for a lot of things, and I’m glad that I can use my phone to tap out a short email while half paying attention to my lunch, commuting, etc sometimes.

Maybe when they can shoot photons directly into my cornea without an intrusive set of goggles that take me out of the real world.

Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by 38 »

cromka wrote: post #79
iamjake648 wrote: post #38

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I returned mine today after attempting to use it for work for a few hours at a time over the last week. I felt the same eye strain with my Mac as a mirrored display. Zoom calls were cool, but nobody could take the Persona seriously. After a few days the eye strain seemed to get worse and worse, until yesterday it give me such a bad headache I decided that was enough.

> Zoom calls were cool, but nobody could take the Persona seriously. This is going to be another of their socially awkward gimmicks like Memojis they will double down until they inevitably fail. I really feel like Apple actually just doesn’t feel it and every time they’re pushing their weird geeky ideas onto their users they loose a bit of coolness factor. And if kids decide Apple got too cringe, while someone else m…

> coolness factor

Apple hasn't been cool for a long, long time. Everyone has an iPhone so it's no longer special. It's just a waste of money when you can get basically the same android phone for half the price

Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by filmgirlcw »

dijit wrote: post #147
ngokevin wrote: post #95

When reading about headset experiences, I'd de-weigh any insights that are within 3 months of the first headset purchase. The first few dozen sessions are novel, you get a kick (and social media views) about sharing how completely your life has changed to fit the headset. More often than not, it's collecting dust on the shelf within a few months. Sort of like an expensive blender you were so excited to get, you imagi…

I love this comment, I think you're completely right. What I love most about this comment is how it caused me to reflect on what I use daily and get some amount of joy from. When it comes to Apple products in particular I use an Apple Studio display at home, I use it for 10hours per day, every day, and honestly I have no complaints, it's probably one of the best bits of technology I use daily. However, it's completel…

Yeah, I agree. I rolled my eyes when I bought the Studio Display because of the price (I got the VESA option so I also had to factor in $200 for an Ergotron LX just so I could use it the way I’d want) and I’m annoyed by its lack of power button, its garbage web camera, and the really that it has no better picture quality than the v2 LG UltraFine 5K it was replacing, despite costing $300 more, but if it broke tomorrow I’d buy another one without a second thought (also the VESA option — also just say no to the Nano Texture option). In fact, I might even get a second one this year because I have 3 Macs (2 M-series laptops and a 2020 5K iMac) and it would be nice to have one dedicated to the laptops instead of having to swap the cable for the TB4 dock.

Until/unless Apple does fractional scaling in a way that doesn’t really need pixel doubling to work, I will insist on a 5K display for a 27” monitor and the ASD really is the best game in town.

Re: Coding in Vision Pro

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Post by SkyPuncher »

astrange wrote: post #170
barkingcat wrote: post #161

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The problem with the vision pro is that you can't wear glasses to use them, and neither does Zeiss make all the prescriptions available.

You can wear contacts for VR as long as they're not colored. (Well, if there's no eye tracking even that's fine.)

With my Xreal airs, something is just always slightly off with focus. It's fine for movies and games, but it sucks for reading text.
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