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I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
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Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting; I think this is a demonstration of how much what seems like a "Tool" is actually "organization", because my current experience is completely opposite: * In MS teams, I can create conversations, group chats, organic meetings, and add people (and include history) as I want and desire. I prefer it for quick discussions with my colleagues and to get a rapid problem solving or critical incident conversation w…
That sounds like you have a very top-down organization and they have setup Slack to mirror that dynamic. Slack by itself does not have those restrictions. Individuals can create Slack Channels (often too many channels). You can setup adhoc groups through DM and can add people to that group . You have the choice when adding people to a chat to block the history or give them full access to the history. At any point you…
Yes. That is the very first sentence in my post :).
A lot of our presumed perspective and experience with tools is actually our experience with organizations and policies.
Conversely, majority of issues I've read here with Ms Teams, are not part of my own experience - Teams I use is way easier and more flexible and user friendly than the slack I use.
Is it the case that more startups used slack vs more enterprises used teams and that sealed in some stereotype?
Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#203I always wonder how much of this sort of thing is disdain for the specific tool vs. disdain for what working in a mid-to-large org. is like and the overhead it usually brings with it.
Jira + Scrum is a soul crushing nightmare, Jira + Kanban is fine.
Disagree; Jira + Kanban is if anything even worse. Since Jira is such a pain to use and Kanban doesn't have any requirement for estimation or timeboxing, people will write one ticket that says "do everything" and work on it for 6 months. While admittedly avoiding Jira for 6 months at a time is good for the soul, when you put your head down and work on something with no context for 6 months you usually end up making something that wasn't actually wanted and has to be thrown away or drastically reworked, which ends up being more soul crushing.
Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#204I always wonder how much of this sort of thing is disdain for the specific tool vs. disdain for what working in a mid-to-large org. is like and the overhead it usually brings with it.
> I always wonder how much of this sort of thing is disdain for the specific tool vs. disdain for what working in a mid-to-large org. is like and the overhead it usually brings with it.
I used to work in a largish public company (40K+ people). They had a wonderfully functional and flexible bug tracking system.
So no, at least in my experience one can be in a large org and enjoy your bug tracking tool, nothing to do with the overhead of a large org.
But jira, it is beyond awful.
Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#205I always wonder how much of this sort of thing is disdain for the specific tool vs. disdain for what working in a mid-to-large org. is like and the overhead it usually brings with it.
> I always wonder how much of this sort of thing is disdain for the specific tool vs. disdain for what working in a mid-to-large org. is like and the overhead it usually brings with it. I used to work in a largish public company (40K+ people). They had a wonderfully functional and flexible bug tracking system. So no, at least in my experience one can be in a large org and enjoy your bug tracking tool, nothing to do w…
What was the tool?
Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
I work in a mid-to-large org. The more agile part use tools like jira and slack. The older part (established in the 1920s) use Remedy and Teams. Jira is brilliant. It is team-led. Different teams have different approaches, some love all the features like components, versions, issue types, assignee, kanban boards, scrumms, reports etc etc. Others like my team use it with subject/description/comments. You make the tool…
“Jira is brilliant” I've never read that sentence before! My feeling is... developers hate Jira, managers love Jira. And that is expected. The tendency is for things loved by managers to be hated by developers, such as meetings, metrics, etc. An example of a very misused metric: In one of my jobs, managers started using Scrum Poker results as a productivity measure. “My team scored 100 points in the last sprint.” Ima…
> The tendency is for things loved by managers to be hated by developers, such as meetings, metrics, etc.
There's an unfortunate tendency for some people to scoff at the immutable fact that to write software, you have to talk to other human beings. And that if a company is paying you good money to do it, they are going to want to know when it will be done and what ROI they are getting on your salary.
Sure, there are stupid meetings and stupid metrics. But to lump "meetings" and "metrics" into a "hated" category is the mark of an immature dev who doesn't understand why he/she has a job and a salary in the first place.
Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
I work in a mid-to-large org. The more agile part use tools like jira and slack. The older part (established in the 1920s) use Remedy and Teams. Jira is brilliant. It is team-led. Different teams have different approaches, some love all the features like components, versions, issue types, assignee, kanban boards, scrumms, reports etc etc. Others like my team use it with subject/description/comments. You make the tool…
“Jira is brilliant” I've never read that sentence before! My feeling is... developers hate Jira, managers love Jira. And that is expected. The tendency is for things loved by managers to be hated by developers, such as meetings, metrics, etc. An example of a very misused metric: In one of my jobs, managers started using Scrum Poker results as a productivity measure. “My team scored 100 points in the last sprint.” Ima…
I'm a developer, and while I don't love it, I certainly don't hate it, and I don't see it worse than any other task-tracking tool. I haven't used trello or asana in a hot minute, but they were way worse in terms of UI and UX.
I'm not totally sold on the whole points poker process though, but that could be a criticism of agile as a whole.
Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#208I always wonder how much of this sort of thing is disdain for the specific tool vs. disdain for what working in a mid-to-large org. is like and the overhead it usually brings with it.
When I clicked on the site the very first opinion called Jira shit because they had 20 different boards for the same thing, 2000 tickets in the backlog and 20 different mandatory fields for each ticket. Which is absolutely not the fault of Jira. Jira does not make you create 20 boards and per default a Title is all you need to create a Ticket. By the complaints own wording they had 2000 tickets because management ref…
The problem with JIRA the product vs. any instance of JIRA is feature bloat in the product has allowed for people to spin their wheels with all sorts of whiz-bang categories, labels, charts, and other nonsense.
The dopamine hit from tweaking charts and organizing digital clutter is probably the same area of the brain where the social media infinite scroll dopamine hit happens. If JIRA the product didn’t offer all these dopamine hits for doing busy-work, aka “features”, and stuck to basics then people wouldn’t be complaining about the tool and how their management/admins have implemented some nonsensical process.
Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#209I always wonder how much of this sort of thing is disdain for the specific tool vs. disdain for what working in a mid-to-large org. is like and the overhead it usually brings with it.
I am thinking the exact same thing. Right now I wish I could use Jira because I‘m using this IBM equivalent tool „CCM“. CCM is so bad it’s nearly dysfunctional. Image Jira but 3 times the necessary clicks (this is not hyperbole). With Jira I can see the good intentions and how they go awry. But CCM is pure madness from top to bottom.
Friend in IBM said the tool they used had 10s and 10s of mandatory fields...
Which were ignored because everyone found it easier to just read and search the comments. So a thick chunk of commenting became de facto mandatory.
Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#210I feel like Jira is OK but definitely I prefer Trello. I also prefer the kind of project development approach which is suitable for Trello.
The unfortunate reality though is that almost everything we consume nowadays is pushed onto us without our consent.