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Re: Stable-Audio-Demo

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Post by JoshTriplett »

JAlexoid wrote: post #174
JoshTriplett wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Principles applied to human brains are not automatically applicable to AI training. To the best of my knowledge, there's no particular law that says a human brain is exempt from copyright, but it empirically is, because the alternative would be utterly unreasonable. No such exemption exists for AI training, nor should it. Ideas/works/etc literally live rent-free in your head. That doesn't mean they should live rent-f…

> To the best of my knowledge, there's no particular law that says a human brain is exempt from copyright, but it empirically is, because the alternative would be utterly unreasonable. Human brain most definitely is not exempt. If you read Lord of the Rings and then write down a new book, with the same characters and same story line - that's plain copying(lookup the etymology of the verb to copy). If you look at a pa…

The human brain is absolutely exempt, insofar as the copy stored in your brain does not make your brain subject to copyright, even if a subsequent work you produce might be. Nobody's filing copyright infringement claims over people's memories in and of themselves.

I'm saying that AI does not and should not automatically get the exception that a human brain does.

Re: Stable-Audio-Demo

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Post by Zetaphor »

a_vanderbilt wrote: post #166
ImprobableTruth wrote: post #131

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Calling him "the person hired to build Stable Audio" seems a bit misleading? He was in a executive position (VP of product for Stability's audio group). An important position, but "person hired to build" to me evokes the image of lead developer/researcher. I think that also helps in understanding his departure, since he's a founder with a music background.

It isn't unusual for those in leadership positions to use such phrasing when talking about projects and products. It's not a "taking credit" from the engineers sort of thing, but rather about the leadership of the engineers.

Managing a group of people is not synonymous with doing the actual knowledge work of researching and developing innovations that enabled this technology. I find it hard to believe that the contribution of his management somehow uniquely enabled this group of engineers to create this using their experience and expertise.

A captain may steer the ship, but they're not the one actually creating and maintaining the means by which it moves.

Re: Stable-Audio-Demo

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Post by shon »

a_vanderbilt wrote: post #166
ImprobableTruth wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling him "the person hired to build Stable Audio" seems a bit misleading? He was in a executive position (VP of product for Stability's audio group). An important position, but "person hired to build" to me evokes the image of lead developer/researcher. I think that also helps in understanding his departure, since he's a founder with a music background.

It isn't unusual for those in leadership positions to use such phrasing when talking about projects and products. It's not a "taking credit" from the engineers sort of thing, but rather about the leadership of the engineers.

Agreed. Leadership can sometimes bring actual value ;)

And to be clear, I’m not sure Ed would call himself that. Those are my words, not his.

Re: Stable-Audio-Demo

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Post by rikafurude21 »

IndisciplineK wrote: post #145
jsiepkes wrote: post #66

> Warning: This website may not function properly on Safari. For the best experience, please use Google Chrome. We've come full circle with the 90's and Internet Explorer. Well I guess this time the dominant browser is opensource so that's atleast something... Can someone please create an animated GIF button for Chrome which says: "Best viewed with Google Chrome"?

> Can someone please create an animated GIF button for Chrome which says: "Best viewed with Google Chrome"? Here you go: Edit: View the button: https://indiscipline.github.io/post/best-viewed-in-google-ch...

Surprised to see an actual gif pop up after adding that to a site. I guess thats just base64, still kind of amazing that its all inside a seemingly random string of text

Re: Stable-Audio-Demo

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Post by gcanko »

romanzubenko wrote: post #6

As with Stable Diffusion, text prompting will be the least controllable way to get useful output with this model. I can easily imagine midi being used as an input with control net to essentially get a neural synthesizer.

I think it would be ideal if it could take the audio recording of humming or singing a melody together with a text prompt and spitting out a track that resembles it

Re: Stable-Audio-Demo

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Post by dannyobrien »

raphman wrote: post #149
sillysaurusx wrote: post #88

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It’s not so clear cut. Many lawyers believe all that matters is whether the output of the model is infringing. As much as people love to cite ChatGPT spitting out code that violates copyright, the vast majority of the outputs do not. Those that do, are quickly clamped down on — you’ll find it hard to get Dalle to generate an image of anything Nintendo related, unless you’re using crafty language. There’s also the mor…

> Many lawyers believe all that matters is whether the output of the model is infringing. What I don't understand (as a European with little knowledge of court decisions on fair use): with the same reasoning you might make software piracy a case of 'fair use', no? You take stuff someone else wrote - without their consent - and use it to create something new. The output (e.g. the artwork you create with Photoshop) is…

So, fair use is seen as a balance, and generally the balance is thought of as being codified under four factors:

https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

There's more detailed discussion here: https://copyright.columbia.edu/basics/fair-use.html

Re: Stable-Audio-Demo

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Post by Ukv »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #197
Ukv wrote: post #105

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> Fair use was intended for things like reviews, commentary, education, remixing, non-commercial use, and many other things "many other things" has included, for example, Google Books scanning millions of in-copyright books, storing internally them in full, and making snippets available. The basis for copyright itself is to "promote the progress of science and useful arts". For that reason a key consideration of fair…

> "many other things" has included, for example, Google Books scanning millions of in-copyright books, storing internally them in full, and making snippets available. That succeeds on a different part of the four-factor test, the degree to which it competes with / affects the market for the original. Google Books is not automatically producing new books derived from their copies that compete with the original books.

> That succeeds on a different part of the four-factor test, the degree to which it competes with / affects the market for the original

It satisfied multiple parts of the four-factor test. It was found satisfy the first factor due to being "highly transformative", the second factor was considered not dispositive is isolation and favoring Google when combined with its transformative purpose, and it satisfied the third factor as the usage was "necessary to achieve that purpose" - with the court making the distinction between what was copied (lots) and what is revealed to the public (limited snippets).

As you had all factors as "maximally against" fair use, do you believe that AI is significantly less transformative than Google Books? I'd say even in cases where the output is the same format as the content it was trained on, like Google Translate, it's still generally highly transformative.

> the degree to which it competes with

Specifically, to be pedantic, it's the effect of the use/copying of the original copyrighted work.

Re: Stable-Audio-Demo

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Post by Wistar »

A small point: Needs to be in something other than 44.1kHz. The two to which they make comparisons are at either 32kHz or 48kHz, both of which are friendlier for video work, something for which I think AI audio will be used a lot.

Re: Stable-Audio-Demo

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Post by IndisciplineK »

rikafurude21 wrote: post #204
IndisciplineK wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can someone please create an animated GIF button for Chrome which says: "Best viewed with Google Chrome"? Here you go: Edit: View the button: https://indiscipline.github.io/post/best-viewed-in-google-ch...

Surprised to see an actual gif pop up after adding that to a site. I guess thats just base64, still kind of amazing that its all inside a seemingly random string of text

By the way, you can simply paste the base64-encoded data (everything inside the quotes) into your address bar to view it. Probably not the safest action generally, but should be OK if it's an image.
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