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Cloud Egress Costs
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is 'appropriate transcoding'?
Assumedly, implementing the logic yourself for transcoding source content into various encodings on demand. If you're storing 1080p h265 MP4s in R2 and the client can only support 480p h264 it'll request that but you need to "appropriately transcode" for them. The alternative is a service that does this for you, like Cloudflare Stream. Upload source video, service handles transcoding and integrates easily with standa…
I don't think Cloudflare's free egress covers video storage and retrieval
https://community.cloudflare.com/t/can-we-serve-video-with-r...
Please correct me if I am mistaken; also R2 is not a CDN, and more like s3 in terms of delivering from the edge
No issue with your comment specifically, just wondering if you know. currently using s3+cloudfront for mp4 storage+delivery, and would like to move to something better if possible.
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#203The cost of egress traffic is a very good reason for many organizations to not fully migrate to a cloud provider anytime soon. And since, unlike with storage costs, there doesn't seem to be an actual reason (other than: it makes migrating to competitors cost-prohibitive in a subset of cases), that seems kind of... weird? Small example: an actual company I do some work for is in the business of delivering creative ass…
Context matters here. How critical is that workload? What the economic and reputational impact for the company, if one of the physical connections or some technical problem with the data center causes a downtime of hours or days?
looking at the uptime from aws and from most big outtage notices i have read in the last few years, there does not seem to be a benefit in regards to reliability when using cloud.
see reddit, see amazon/aws outages taking with them netflix/disney plus etc
honestly its a lot better to keep your architecture cloud agnostics and test restores regulary on a different provider/region
also: store your backups somewhere else, not on your primary cloud provider, not connected to your auth system, not overwritable from anywhere
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#204The article says “ Cloud providers charge for egress because it costs them money to send data out of their network. They have to pay for the infrastructure and bandwidth required to send data to users”. The charge is not based on cost in the case of the big names. They charge an arm and a leg because they want to keep you and your data on their platform. When you move it you are breaking free. Hence the high costs to…
> They charge an arm and a leg because they want to keep you and your data on their platform. When you move it you are breaking free. This isn't remotely true. The bandwidth alliance exists, and a lot of cloud companies are on the list: https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/bandwidth-alliance/ The actual answer is much more complicated. For example, Google Cloud offers two different bandwidth tiers: premium and standard.…
> This isn't remotely true.
Nothing in your comment rejects or disproves the claim that egress costs are vendor lockdown.
Your link to the bandwidth alliance explicitly states that their justification for network costs is unloading infrastructure costs onto end users as data fees. That's their only and best justification. This is clearly a business decision that has no bearing in operational costs.
Some cloud providers charge nothing, others only start charging after hitting a high threshold from a single instance. Do they not operate infrastructure?
It's their business, it's their business model. Some restaurants charge you for a glass of tap water too. Let's not pretend they do it because of infrastructure costs.
Re: Cloud Egress Costs
#205The cost of egress traffic is a very good reason for many organizations to not fully migrate to a cloud provider anytime soon. And since, unlike with storage costs, there doesn't seem to be an actual reason (other than: it makes migrating to competitors cost-prohibitive in a subset of cases), that seems kind of... weird? Small example: an actual company I do some work for is in the business of delivering creative ass…
just 1 engineer? lol. Let's hope it's not business critical for the servers to be up and running at all times if you only need 1 engineer.
you need an oncall team be it cloud or not, taking one fte position and dedicating it to managing 2 servers(documentation/updates/backup & restore procedures testing) seems rather.. high
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the case of fly.io it’s a little different because they have a anycast network with traffic being accepted at the closest region and being proxied to your running VM. This is not unlike a CDN, and if you look at the North America/Europe pricing of most CDNs, fly.io is quite similar.
Anycast does not really make the pricing that different. Especially since one does not have to backhaul the traffic to one specific PoP. Cloudflare manages to run their Anycast CDN as a loss leader just fine.
I believe Cloudflare is in the long-haul of commoditizing their competitors and making their profit through other auxiliary services.
Also, on the plan routing is atrocious, with all requests from Africa and Asia being directed into Europe, which helps keep costs down, but it cannot then be compared with fly.io.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
The inter-AZ charges kill me. They’re charging you for traffic over what is almost certainly private fiber, of a distance no more than 50 miles or so. Just absurd. Then, they have the audacity to recommend you make everything Multi-AZ. “Don’t worry, RDS-RDS traffic isn’t billed!” Yes, but the apps running in us-east-1a that are hitting -1b and -1c due to load balancers most assuredly do bill for traffic.
What’s extra special is that the cloud providers are now disincentivised from making those load balancers zone topology aware. If they made them efficiently pick the same zone whenever possible, they would be missing out on cross-AZ traffic billing, which is basically a money printer.
AWS ELB certainly is zone aware, iirc cross-zone load-balancing is opt-in
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#208It says free for OVH but on their website for S3 I see:
Outgoing public traffic $0.011 /GB
What am I missing?
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#209I work in academia and Microsoft Azure doesn’t bill us egress up to 15% of the total bill [0]. Well, I still use Hetzner for the simpler needs because it’s much cheaper. I wonder if the two other big cloud providers could also significantly reduce the egress fees when asked nicely. [0]: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/azure-egress-fee-waiv...
In EU academia has some kind of deal that they almost never pay for egress. Some use ExpressRoute where egress is free, too
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#210Making it cheap for productive people to enter, and costly to exit, is a time honored strategy by countries and businesses alike. There is nothing particularly surprising going on here.