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Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by akanet »

vdqtp3 wrote: post #188
kevingadd wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main problem with direct democracy as performed in the US is that it's trivial to manipulate with sufficiently large ad campaigns, because the average voter is not super well informed on most topics and is usually not motivated to dig deeply when i.e. a ride-sharing company spends a cool hundred million to get the legal outcome they want. This is not to say that the alternative is immune to these problems, but as…

Prop 13 is far from being agreed on as a problem amongst Californians. When your property tax could reasonably exceed your mortgage, something must change.

That prop 13 is not agreed upon by residents of California's population as a major destructive force here is precisely their point.

It has been both absolutely disastrous and incredibly popular.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by yread »

virtue3 wrote: post #57
neilv wrote: post #10

The Flipper Zero is a general-purpose tool and STEM educational device. By banning the device, a country would be setting back their workforce of engineers and scientists a bit. How can you use a Flipper Zero to steal a car? Flipper Zero can't crack hard encryption. Is the real problem that cars were made with security that they already knew was negligently weak at the time? If so, is a recall of those cars more appr…

Nah fuck this. Someone on the plane I was on kept triggering it to do bluetooth attacks ('not your airpods') while I was trying to read (and have my earphones on connected via bluetooth so fuck me right?). There's hacked firmware's you can install [0]. I understand that there are probably tons of other devices like this out there but this one was SO fucking popular and easily accessible. I've already seen this thing…

> regional TX restrictions lifted

Sounds like running this is illegal and github hosting it, too

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Post by gloryjulio »

ptman wrote: post #173
gloryjulio wrote: post #169

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> in order to pretend to do something about ... That basically summaries the Canadian government's history, and how we end up in multiple crisis and negative gdp per capita situation now.

How do you get negative gdp per capita? That must mean negative gdp unless you have less than 0 population. Do you mean negative growth? Then what does per capita have to do with it?

Oops, that's a typo. Negative growth is the right term

> Then what does per capita have to do with it?

If you are really interested, look up Canadian's policies. Tldr: import 'low cost' labor to pop up monopolies without real growth, declining average Canadian quality of life. Flattening gdp/huge labor population import = negative growth

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Post by spookie »

anonzzzies wrote: post #187
refulgentis wrote: post #137

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You'd be surprised how much 500K means if you're not Samsung or Apple. There's recent products you'd say were clear hits and sold an order of magnitude more than that, but in actuality, it was exactly 350K.

It’s a great achievement by the company; I am not refuting that. It’s still a niche product no one but a few tech people heard off it or would buy it.

Microsoft only managed to sell 140k Xbox Ones in Japan. Just throwing a comparison.

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Post by postpawl »

randomdata wrote: post #182

In theory, a representative democracy keeps checks and balances by the people still routinely communicating with each other as if it were a direct democracy and if the representatives are not acting in accordance with the direct findings, then it's off with their heads. But in practice that's a lot of work. The reality is that most people don't want to be involved and are happy to have some figurehead do the work for…

In reality, those with significant wealth and power end up shaping policy. This can lead to public disengagement, as many feel the system is not truly representing their interests.

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Post by meiuqer »

AnarchismIsCool wrote: post #140

In the grand scheme, these are remarkably unsophisticated devices. It's almost a meme in RF circles to excitedly buy one and then immediately realize it's just a Girl Tech IM-me with NFC. If you want to do real damage there are portable SDRs that can jam GPS and transmit just about any arbitrary radio signal from DC to 6GHz for less than $500. This is a mildly powerful toy that has a large, intelligent and curious co…

What is RF?

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Post by hnick »

dwattttt wrote: post #196
ireflect wrote: post #144

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This is great. I rewrote it in my own words and sent it to my local Canadian MP, as well as Dominic LeBlanc who is the Minister of Public Safety. Here's my template: I am a Canadian citizen in your riding (A1B 2C3) and multiple business owner in the technology sector. As an expert in the field of electronics and information security, I am concerned about the ISED’s initiative to ban Flipper Zero and similar devices,…

> leads me to believe that such cars had negligently insecure encryption While accurate, the standard may not be as rigorous as you'd like to imagine; there was a time not long ago when a wire coat hanger was enough to unlock a car.

I remember that time. We even used it once on a friend's car. However, we did not ban wire coat hangers. I'm sure the politicians would agree that would have been silly, but common sense seems to leave them when it comes to tech.

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Post by randomdata »

postpawl wrote: post #205
randomdata wrote: post #182

In theory, a representative democracy keeps checks and balances by the people still routinely communicating with each other as if it were a direct democracy and if the representatives are not acting in accordance with the direct findings, then it's off with their heads. But in practice that's a lot of work. The reality is that most people don't want to be involved and are happy to have some figurehead do the work for…

In reality, those with significant wealth and power end up shaping policy. This can lead to public disengagement, as many feel the system is not truly representing their interests.

> those with significant wealth [...] end up shaping policy.

Yes, of course. Those with wealth hire people, often referred to as lobbyists, to put in the hard work. Technically, representative democracy requires everyone to be, or have, their own lobbyist, but in practice that's a lot of work that most people don't want to put in. They prefer to defer to a figurehead. It's easier that way. And, as such, give up power because of it.

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Post by AnarchismIsCool »

meiuqer wrote: post #206
AnarchismIsCool wrote: post #140

In the grand scheme, these are remarkably unsophisticated devices. It's almost a meme in RF circles to excitedly buy one and then immediately realize it's just a Girl Tech IM-me with NFC. If you want to do real damage there are portable SDRs that can jam GPS and transmit just about any arbitrary radio signal from DC to 6GHz for less than $500. This is a mildly powerful toy that has a large, intelligent and curious co…

What is RF?

Radio Frequency, contextually the people who like to do radio stuff, professionals, amateur radio operators, etc.

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Post by mhitza »

randomdata wrote: post #182

In theory, a representative democracy keeps checks and balances by the people still routinely communicating with each other as if it were a direct democracy and if the representatives are not acting in accordance with the direct findings, then it's off with their heads. But in practice that's a lot of work. The reality is that most people don't want to be involved and are happy to have some figurehead do the work for…

> But in practice that's a lot of work.

In practice there are no built-in mechanics to deal with representatives. Wait X years for reelection is not the option.

Liquid Democracy would be a possible solution, in which you have the right to vote on all policy directly, or delegate and revoke your voting rights at any moment to a representative. That would be the only way to deal with representatives that promise one thing in campaigns and do something different once they are in office (aside from the many other benefits it would bring).

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