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The users would need an incentive to relay others' traffic and run down their batteries faster. Mesh is also extremely slow. Just try using Tor as an example. BitTorrent offered up the incentive of free downloads of copyrighted media. Bitcoin offered money.
You’re right - we’re many years of tech progress away from this dream. But it might become the standard new way of getting on the internet in future. Ubiquitous, always on, secure, and probably almost free.
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It’s not even remotely the same, it’s nearly 50% higher than the US (which isn’t doing that great either). South Korea has the 10th highest suicide rate in the world.
On the flip side, how much as South Korean society managed to advance in the 50 years compared to “happy America?”
Also the gap between Korea has remained constant since the 90s (in fact it even widened over the last 15 years or so)
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Presumably the people who control the data links between population centers could just cut off the Internet, no? Doesn't that largely defeat the anti-censorship advantages of something like this?
At worst, the mesh is no worse than what we have right now. In reality there will always be some people moving around between cities, satellites and drones passing overhead, and enthusiasts setting up antennas. If mesh devices become ubiquitous, and they will, it’ll be almost impossible to control.
No, it won't make it easier to censor--no one is arguing that.
> In reality there will always be some people moving around between cities, satellites and drones passing overhead, and enthusiasts setting up antennas.
It's trivial for a regime to find people who are illicitly operating wireless backbone infrastructure (backbone is the stuff that connects a mesh cluster to the rest of the Internet); they're broadcasting a big, loud signal. And if it's not wireless backbone infrastructure, it's physical and thus the same problems present as today. And this is assuming the regime won't just forbid mesh devices, full stop (sure, a few might be smuggled in, but they're easily located and useless without mass adoption).
> If mesh devices become ubiquitous, and they will,
This is extremely unlikely. The arc of the Internet has bent toward centralization. Mesh implies tradeoffs, especially with respect to performance, and the overwhelming majority of consumers (and businesses) are going to pick performance over the abstract benefits of decentralization--mesh is unlikely to achieve the mass adoption necessary to make it useful even in a basic capacity.
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There are disputed border areas between India and China, and the two countries have had multiple skirmishes there, but to prevent any serious escalation, the two countries have mutually agreed not to use firearms, so they mostly fight with melee weapons. This is to avoid escalation.
> the two countries have mutually agreed not to use firearms The Border Peace and Tranquility Agreement from 1993 is over now after the intial clash on the confluence of Shyok and Galwan River, leaving casualties on both sides. Indian and Chinese soldiers now patrol armed again. After that initial clash, several additional clashes started, both India and China began mobilizing, and India considered launching artiller…
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Can you write out the detailed arguments as to how that would be a net benefit?
For a start, you don't permanently mess up your life if you are sick/distracted by personal issues for that one exam.
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This dynamics is the underlying principle of every democracy. Only the sophistication of the civilian facade differs. If you want to see how fast things show their true colors stop paying "your" soldiers. When it happens due to breakdown of government-nation relationship coup or military pacification of civilians is imminent.
> ... every democracy ... If you want to see how fast things show their true colors stop paying "your" soldiers. Laying off soldiers and officers have been quite common in democracies. It is not really a problem. I guess it is mainly a problem if there is social unrest to begin with and the layoffs are a spark and maybe not done in an orderly manor.
The problem with social unrest is that government loses capability of collecting taxes and stops paying all soldiers and the military can't have that.
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You’re right - we’re many years of tech progress away from this dream. But it might become the standard new way of getting on the internet in future. Ubiquitous, always on, secure, and probably almost free.
Amateur radio exists.
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It’s not even remotely the same, it’s nearly 50% higher than the US (which isn’t doing that great either). South Korea has the 10th highest suicide rate in the world.
On the flip side, how much as South Korean society managed to advance in the 50 years compared to “happy America?”
It's apples and oranges. Compared to the U.S., how much did western Europe and Japan advance in the half-century preceding 2000, relative to where they started in 1945?
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On the flip side, how much as South Korean society managed to advance in the 50 years compared to “happy America?”
> how much as South Korean society managed to advance in the 50 years compared to “happy America?” It's apples and oranges. Compared to the U.S., how much did western Europe and Japan advance in the half-century preceding 2000, relative to where they started in 1945 ?
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> how much as South Korean society managed to advance in the 50 years compared to “happy America?” It's apples and oranges. Compared to the U.S., how much did western Europe and Japan advance in the half-century preceding 2000, relative to where they started in 1945 ?
It’s not apples and oranges. America was far more prosperous than South Korea or Japan in 1945. But it didn’t get that way by being happy.
(What have you got against being happy?)