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Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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(repost after every Google-bashing...) Alternate perspective as a longtime googler, ex-googler, mostly-happy user and shareholder. Please hear me out. As user, I'm pretty ok with Google. Websearch is sputtering sure but that's normal after a challenge like chatgpt. I tried Bing again and came back after a day. Google seems ok on privacy: in 2024, you don't see hackers exfiltrate Google data, employees abuse privilege…

Opposite opinion:

- Google has the attention span of a crack addled flea. They have been the least innovative company of the big 5 and cancel products and have no long term focus.

- GCP may be good but no one trusts Google to maintain their products and not cancel them under your feet. GCP representatives don’t know how to meet “customers where they are” and their enterprise relationships are so bad when I was at AWS (Professional Services) we didn’t even bother having have “talking points” about GCP vs AWS. GCP wasn’t even on our radar. Azure on the other hand was.

- Google and privacy? Really? Google’s whole purpose is to track you to monetize you. Android consistently has more security issues than iOS and Android devices don’t get security updates like iOS devices.

- Google like every other company only “contributes” to open source software that does not give it a competitive advantage.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Google does plenty of stuff well, but what's their last big exciting new product or even new feature? Bard is good but they're chasing OpenAI. Same story with the Pixel phones and Samsung. Or YouTube Shorts and Tiktok. It all seems directionless or stagnant, like the bad old days of Microsoft.

Apparently they’re killing / renaming Bard, because Google gonna Google. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/google-reportedly-rebr...

Bard is a horrible name though. Poet? Horse ornament? It's close to Bardo which is the stage after death and before rebirth.

Gemini is much more neutral and easy to work with. Like Alexa or Siri.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a powerful evolutionary force which provides very rich or powerful people with whatever yes-men are appealing to their particular personalities. The returns to being an accepted yes-man are so high that attempts are going to continually be made until someone clicks. Eventually someone is going to click. It’s near impossible not to become detached from reality under such circumstances. Hence all the legends ac…

I forget where I heard this but I once read a saying that “communication is only possible between equals.” I think that’s too extreme as a blanket statement but it’s definitely true that when there are major wealth or position differences communication becomes difficult and all kinds of perverse incentives come into play. If you wonder how, for example, George Bush II thought it really was “mission accomplished” in I…

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Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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The reason the word "inept" keeps coming up is just how opaque and senseless to the rank and file the January 2023 layoffs were. High performers, low performers, newest hires, most tenure: we saw all kinds of heads roll. I saw a team lose its sole TL with a decade+ of tenure on the team, then turn around and hire 4-6 people to try and catch up. A growing deployment team was actively hiring before and after it got a 6% haircut.

The simplest explanation would be that every cost center/P&L had to offer up 6% of its people, regardless of that cost center's overall trajectory, place in company strategy or open headcount. And that every cost center's VP or general manager or whatever just got collared by HR, was given a list on a piece of paper and couldn't leave until they chose 6% by ...whatever metric they came up with on the spot.

Whatever actually happened I'll never know, but what I've seen was 100% compatible with that theory. Which in turn looks pretty inept.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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They're gonna make money due to inertia for a while, until suddenly they won't, and then there won't be anything left to use to salvage the situation. When that happens, there are going to be a whole lot of "Whatever happened to Google?" articles that are going to be easy to sum up as "a long history of shortsighted decisions by inept management finally added up to more than the older history of good, forward thinkin…

Except that revenues have been growing for years under him and the stock price has skyrocketed. I personally think he's a terrible CEO but it's impossible to argue to anyone that cares that he should be removed until at least revenue or the stock price drops.

That description perfectly fits another massive tech company CEO: Steve Balmer. Revenue tripled under him. But Microsoft's mindshare, brand image, influence, etc. all went down.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #93

(repost after every Google-bashing...) Alternate perspective as a longtime googler, ex-googler, mostly-happy user and shareholder. Please hear me out. As user, I'm pretty ok with Google. Websearch is sputtering sure but that's normal after a challenge like chatgpt. I tried Bing again and came back after a day. Google seems ok on privacy: in 2024, you don't see hackers exfiltrate Google data, employees abuse privilege…

> Websearch is sputtering sure but that's normal after a challenge like chatgpt. How would the existence of LLMs make "classic" web search worse ? SEO spam and content farms cluttering the first results page has been going on for longer too. > Services like Gmail/gsuite are awesome for productivity and while they lag in shiny features, the teams are adding features quickly enough. Google Docs has some of the most cur…

Markdown in Google docs: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/12014036?hl=en

Of course, if you want non wysiwyg, then don't use Google docs just use markdown in a text editor or install mediawiki or something.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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That's the theory used as intellectual cover by people pursuing money at all costs, but it wasn't the theory until the 1980s afaik. Lots of people have other interests, including consumers, employees (as you mentioned), and actually almost all human beings have other motives.

That’s very true. However in this specific case, the OP is correct for anyone with decision making power at Google

I think by dehumanizing them, you sacrifice your own influence and humanity. They are humans, with empathy and other human emotions, and can be persuaded.

On a slight tangent: A popular technique these days is to aggressively demonstrate amorality, sociopathic lack of compassion, etc. There's a reason they go out of their way to demonstrate it and so aggressively - it's BS. It's a negotiating tactic from the second week of negotiating class: Act angry to put things out of reach and to intimidate people into backing down.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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>Google Cloud remains the easiest to use among the big 3 by a wide margin After trying all of them, I found that Google is last in the "easiest to use" category. Just not a good experience for me, and I have 30yoe. YMMV. AWS has been extremely easy, everything just makes sense, is well documented, and there's an API for everything. It's miles ahead of Google as a cloud platform to build on.

AWS is certainly very capable but I haven't at all found that everything AWS is easy or makes sense and that's certainly not the general reputation it has among other devs I know. It's quite baroque and the UI is chaotic and confusing and the documentation is very badly organized.

> It's quite baroque and the UI is chaotic and confusing and the documentation is very badly organized.

I’ve got no real love for AWS, but I do have some hate for GCP.

The UI is chaotic, cluttered, and has no sense of hierarchy. There’s very little consistency, and poor information hierarchy. On a page with eight layers of toolbars (why?!), it’s not unusual to find two things that conceptually seem to operate on the same thing in entirely different places.

Even pages I use almost every day in the Google Cloud Console I find myself unable to find common functionality. I literally wasted hours one day looking, googling, looking, searching the raw DOM, and more trying to find a panel that the documentation said was on a page only to find they’d introduced a brand new type of widget just for that page and apparently it automatically hid and left you just a tiny icon with no description off in a cluttered corner of the screen to reveal it.

Let’s not even get started on permissions.

I’ve never struggled as much with any other product.

And as for the documentation, well… at least AWS _has_ comprehensive and effectively always up-to-date/accurate documentation. It might be a slog to get through, but it’s extremely rare it doesn’t have the answer I’m looking for.

I’ll never get back the time I’ve spent blindly hammering away at GCP to figure out how it’s supposed to work. Or worse, the time I’ve spent following the documentation only to, after all my effort, find the random 5 year old GitHub issue about how the documentation is out of date and inaccurate and the project needs to be accomplished a totally different way… which it turns out was also out of date! Third time’s the charm!

My experience with GCP has been so bad over the past… almost decade now? in every aspect that my immediate reaction to the top level comment was to assume it was a troll as soon as it started praising GCP. I’m honestly shocked to find other people in here defending it.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Anything new here? Or is this article just aggregating every piece from the last month about layoffs, the leaked memo, discontent, boring etc.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39101384

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39125467

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39260956

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Morale from the initial and continued layoffs have utterly pulled the rug out from underneath the culture at Google. Any productivity savings they think they earned has afaict, but dwarfed by large margin in reduced productivity as people scramble to try and perform for whatever algorithm is being used to remove people. Leadership all the way to the top is completely inept.

> whatever algorithm is being used to remove people

Different functions/teams/departments seemed to use very different algorithms, suggesting there was just no leadership at all. I posted a separate top level comment, but seeing one function do last-in/first-out and another jettison its most-tenured (most expensive? non-pristine HR record? who knows!) folks makes it hard for employees to understand what the new rules of engagement are.

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