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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by kamikaz1k » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:55 PM UTC

someotherperson wrote: post #196

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue. When Netflix's streaming platform rolled around people were largely happy to stop pirating, when Netflix's catalog fragmented across two dozen different services that forbid account sharing then piracy became a thing again for many people who stopped pirating. I had a Paramount+ subscription (alongside Disney, Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV) and wanted to…

Might be “largely” true but ignore the existence of just cheap people who will not pay for anything unless they have to.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by scosman » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:55 PM UTC

karmakaze wrote: post #198

scosman wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also: choose a platform that pays artists more. Apple and tidal pay out much more per stream than YouTube/spotify. But any form of paying is much much much better than piracy.

I liked the good ol' days when you could buy an LP/CD album and know that you'll have access to the music without depending on subscription services keeping them available. I'm particularly annoyed by Spotify only keeping 'Remastered' versions of tracks that sound smooth/full/pleasing to new-time listeners but shave a lot of character off the original.

You still can buy albums if you want. New, used, digital. Lots of options.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by theappsecguy » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:55 PM UTC

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

70-300k is a crazy wide range to lump together. Quality of life and flexibility to pay for things is extremely different across it.

That said, the reason is simple, there’s no good product out there so people pirate. I haven’t pirated music in ages because Spotify solved that industry with a single reasonably priced offering.

On the other hand the dozens of streaming services have gotten out of hand by now. Same with renting movies, I’d rather enjoy in the cinema or torrent it, especially given how mediocre 95% of production has been in recent years.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by ekianjo » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:56 PM UTC

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

> I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why shouldn't they?

How about the Spotify client being crap? Can't believe this is the top comment on HN.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by andrepd » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:56 PM UTC

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Give me a link to download your game without spyware and I pay for that.

I buy games on gog. I buy games without drm on steam. I absolutely refuse to install ring 0 Internet-connected malware on my computer to play a fucking game.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by ekianjo » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:58 PM UTC

Reubend wrote: post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

> Musician deserve to be paid for their work

Nobody prevents them from doing live performances, you know?

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by hattar » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:58 PM UTC

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

I pay and would still like an alternative client. The official one has several annoying deficiencies that are unlikely to ever be addressed.

From a monetary standpoint, most companies would throw me into a wood chipper were it profitable. Hard to feel any sense of “fair behavior” is warranted when that’s the case.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by swozey » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:58 PM UTC

kamikaz1k wrote: post #201

someotherperson wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue. When Netflix's streaming platform rolled around people were largely happy to stop pirating, when Netflix's catalog fragmented across two dozen different services that forbid account sharing then piracy became a thing again for many people who stopped pirating. I had a Paramount+ subscription (alongside Disney, Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV) and wanted to…

Might be “largely” true but ignore the existence of just cheap people who will not pay for anything unless they have to.

Yeah, I'm on a discord for tracking 4090 prices/stock. So it's a lot of gamers who can afford a $2k video card.

I'd say 70% of the people in that discord pirate everything.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by gruez » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:59 PM UTC

pyeri wrote: post #195

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

>> I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why shouldn't they? The way ruthless capitalism works in today's age, the software writer barely gets peanuts, bulk is taken away by the management, CEO and shareholders.

Maybe if you subscribe to labor theory of value. Most people wouldn't consider someone making 6 figures as earning "peanuts" because the company they work for is making even more money from their labor.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by larodi » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:59 PM UTC

Reubend wrote: post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

I would actually pay extra for proper open-source, minimal win32 client for spotify which runs every damn winbox. This electron apps Spotify been trying to get right for so many years is such a waste of information and cpu cycles sometimes. Can't believe a company which manages such enormous amount of data is so bad at UI