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Is my plane a 737 MAX?
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#202Given that every affected 737 MAX has been grounded for inspection already, this seems a bit hyperbolic. If you are still worried about some hitherto unknown new problem from Boeing, it could just as likely come from any of their airframes.
Airlines famously never make mistakes that happen to also sell more tickets.
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#203Aviation is safe. An issue happened and appropriate steps have immediately happened and in the end an already incredibly safe industry will be even safer. If a car has an issue we don't blink and we loose nearly 40k people a year in the US alone, but a plane has an issue and we panic. Yes, panic. This is not rational or helpful and is a huge reason why aviation is so antiquated. You want flying cars? Stop panicking a…
> Aviation is safe. An issue happened and appropriate steps have immediately happened and in the end an already incredibly safe industry will be even safer.
Nobody is questioning the safety of aviation in general. This is a focus around a company that has taken a nosedive in terms of quality of planes delivered for the sake of the mighty dollar.
Insiders have confirmed numerous cost cutting measures from the C-level executives. To my awareness, nobody has gone to jail. Fines issued.
> If a car has an issue we don't blink and we loose nearly 40k people a year in the US alone, but a plane has an issue and we panic
Recalls are issued yearly across a wide number of manufacturers and models. I don’t get your point here. This is not panic. This is poor design and/or quality making it’s way into production with high probability of causing bodily harm to driver and/or others.
> You want flying cars? Stop panicking at statistically minor issues. Panic and fear are why it was easier to heavily modify the already massively modified 737 design to create the 'max' instead of just designing a new plane. It is nearly impossible to bring innovation to market because of panic and fear. Over reporting and sites like this are increasing fear and panic when we should instead be celebrating a system working as it should.
Yea let’s just ignore decades of safety requirements because we wAnT tO iNnOvAtE. GoVeRnMeNt ReGuLaTiOn BaD.
Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?
#204Aviation is safe. An issue happened and appropriate steps have immediately happened and in the end an already incredibly safe industry will be even safer. If a car has an issue we don't blink and we loose nearly 40k people a year in the US alone, but a plane has an issue and we panic. Yes, panic. This is not rational or helpful and is a huge reason why aviation is so antiquated. You want flying cars? Stop panicking a…
Why is 737 MAX having so many issues then ? In a short period of time since 2019, it had way too many incidents for an aircraft. I am never flying 737 MAX and yes I am a very practical person.
737 MAX now sends alarm bells blaring for me. The MCAS debacle has me questioning what other shortcuts Boeing will take.
Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but those parts in question exist only on the MAX 9, which is no longer flying. Right now the answer to: "Is my plane a 737 MAX 9?" is "no, it isn't"
When a plane crashes, twice, totaling 300+ dead, people are right to get skeptical. When the investigation into those crashes reveals a shitload of corner cutting on safety regs, people are right to get skeptical. When another version of the same plane made by the same company has an in flight blowout and the fleet is grounded AGAIN (yes i know just the 9s but remind me how many other companies have had entire lines…
> I would certainly not buy a car from a company that's clearly disregarded safety so badly, and would prefer avoiding being in one for any other reason (friends/rideshare/whatever).
That's a lot of cars. The standard in the auto industry is to design specifically for regulatory tests, and/or popular industry tests, in a specific region. All major automakers sell cars that intentionally lack safety features in regions that don't explicitly require them, if it will give their vehicle a price advantage in that market.
e.g. you can still buy vehicles without airbags made by major auto manufacturers.
Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?
#206Aviation is safe. An issue happened and appropriate steps have immediately happened and in the end an already incredibly safe industry will be even safer. If a car has an issue we don't blink and we loose nearly 40k people a year in the US alone, but a plane has an issue and we panic. Yes, panic. This is not rational or helpful and is a huge reason why aviation is so antiquated. You want flying cars? Stop panicking a…
> If a car has an issue we don't blink and we loose nearly 40k people a year in the US alone, but a plane has an issue and we panic.
We don't lose people to the cars themselves. We lose people to reckless driving and traffic: two problems that are fundamentally solved for aircraft.
If the door of a 5-year-old car fell off on the highway, and every car of that make and model were recalled for having loose factory-installed bolts, then people most certainly would panic.
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#207That's a great MVB
Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is a big statement. Since 2019 there have been 32 fatalities connected to commercial aircraft. Most of those were iv very small aircraft like seaplanes and helicopters. 32 deaths in 4 years compared to ~40k/year in cars. We need to keep things in perspective.
Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302, a MAX, crashed in 2019, killing 157 people.
There's a big difference between an unsafe airframe and pilot error/poor-training though.
For example the recent crash in Japan. Airbus isn't getting railed for that one.
I know several 737 pilots on US flag carriers. Even at the time they were saying that neither crash would be possible for their fleet as they had done simulator training of exactly those sorts of scenarios.
From wikipedia: While defending the pilots' actions, Sullenberger was also highly critical of allowing someone with only 200 hours of flight experience to be first officer.
I hate sounding like a Boeing apologist, but I do think it's worth being very clear about where blame lies for things so that we can both asses risk accurately and make appropriate corrections.
Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?
#209Aviation is safe. An issue happened and appropriate steps have immediately happened and in the end an already incredibly safe industry will be even safer. If a car has an issue we don't blink and we loose nearly 40k people a year in the US alone, but a plane has an issue and we panic. Yes, panic. This is not rational or helpful and is a huge reason why aviation is so antiquated. You want flying cars? Stop panicking a…
Aviation in general is very safe. However, there is clearly something wrong in Boeing's design and manufacturing process that's persisted for many years. I would not feel comfortable flying in any of the new 737 MAX's and will avoid flying in one as much as possible.