I always wonder if passengers are compensated for like.. the trauma? The videos going around on Twitter show the oxygen masks dropped and people chatting in their seats about thinking they were going to die. Seems like a fine line between manufacturing "shortcuts" and criminal negligence.
Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization
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Boeing's major competitor is Airbus which is largely a government effort.
It certainly was in the beginnings. But more recently? Can you give any examples or data how?
Of course they take all subsidies they get, but that does not distinguish that from many other big companies not founded on government initiative.
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> This is just a poorly made plane with awful quality control. Maybe if Boeing, you know, lobby to lower these safety restrictions then those pesky quality control checks will reduce and somehow everything will just work out just fine [1]. Seriously though, as a brand new, fresh off the production line 737 this kind of event should be so rare as to be nearly impossible. [1] - https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boe…
> Maybe if Boeing, you know, lobby to lower these safety restrictions then those pesky quality control checks will reduce and somehow everything will just work out just fine I am open to the possibility that an industry might be over-regulated and also expect that the people who would be most likely to try and correct that imbalance would be the companies in the industry. Therefore, it seems perfectly reasonable to m…
Such a skewed world view! If I follow you, then:
a) you’re okay with companies (effectively) acting like mobsters, in their own pecuniary interest
b) you expect every (individual, human) government official to act morally and correctly in every instance, despite the pressure and temptation placed upon them
c) you see no problem with this setup, and see no need to alter this situation
Wow.
Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization
#204Is the FAA going to drag their feet again grounding this plane until the problem is root caused?
Then you’re going to have to ground all the 737-900ERs (in service since 2007) out there as well, since they use the exact same part. Or maybe, just maybe, this is 1,000x more likely to be a maintenance issue than it is a faulty design. If there were a genuine, ongoing safety issue worth worrying about pilots would stop flying them . People seem to entirely forget that the crew up in the cockpit are humans with an in…
Because even if it is just a maintenance issue (which as others point out is weird for a a permanent part on a 10 week old plane that shouldn’t need maintenance on this part ever), Boeing and the FAA have completely shot their credibility over the 737.
Both in terms of original certification and also doubling down on “no issue planes are fine” until it became incontrovertible that the planes were the problem and then all the collusion and shadiness about how the 737 came to be came out.
So with that history, even if it would be an overreaction, rebuilding trust would look like immediately grounding in a situation like this out of an abundance of caution. Btw the 737 has had other maintenance problems crop up since they put it back in service since the fleet was grounded to retrofit the part that was needed to fix the original fatal-causing defect. Honestly this just looks like an unsafe plane top to bottom that could sink Boeing (except they’re not allowed to sink because they’re critical partners to the national defense industry)
Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization
#205"So Alaska airlines don't want that extra emergency door" Boeing - "Hold my beer, I think I have some duct tape around here somewhere"
Why would they? For the number of seats they had, the extra emergency exits aren't required. Installing the extra doors would mean more things to inspect or go wrong. If you want to get hung up on the emergency exits, consider why every modern airliner has doors that are easier (power assist) to open in an emergency but the 737 has doors that are more difficult to open in an emergency.
> Installing the extra doors would mean more things to inspect or go wrong.
Yeah, I guess. Facts don’t agree though.
Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization
#206Tiktok video of the event posted to twitter. https://twitter.com/avgeekjake/status/1743474494411608489?s=...
Unreal. Do people not go deaf from the sound of the air coming into the exposed fuselage like that? I would have thought they'd be covering their ears or something.
Air is going out at that height, not in! Pressure falls so rapidly that it should be rather quiet after a short while.
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How do you know it's related to Boeing's actions in any way? Why do you think there weren't any safety procedures, and again, how do you know it's Boeing's fault they weren't followed? Do you think it's only Boeing itself doing aircraft service? It's not.
It is Boeing’s aircraft. Absent a sophisticated act of intentional sabotage, Boeing is at least partially responsible. The physical design, manufacturing, assembly, qualification, maintenance plans, and maintenance training are all responsibilities of the prime contractor. If a damn door falls off in flight more than one of those definitely contributed. It isn’t only Boeing. The FAA is also reasonable for verifying a…
If one door falls of the aircraft, it's most likely a service tech didn't do the job properly, not that there is a systematic issue. That'd require much more fallen doors.
Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization
#208Is the FAA going to drag their feet again grounding this plane until the problem is root caused?
Then you’re going to have to ground all the 737-900ERs (in service since 2007) out there as well, since they use the exact same part. Or maybe, just maybe, this is 1,000x more likely to be a maintenance issue than it is a faulty design. If there were a genuine, ongoing safety issue worth worrying about pilots would stop flying them . People seem to entirely forget that the crew up in the cockpit are humans with an in…
My first thought was that the pilots and crew would lose their jobs if they refused to fly.
But perhaps pilots would be less likely to get rated for Max aircraft if (hypothetically) there's a perceived broad issue with their safety? This could cause those who have a choice (stronger pilots) to go airbus.
Not saying it's the case, just pondering here.
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Because it makes sense to double check your maintenance when you just experienced an issue overwhelmingly likely to be related to maintenance. These same exact exit plugs have been in service without issue since at least 2007. > Each aircraft will be returned to service only after completion of full maintenance and safety inspections. We anticipate all inspections will be completed in the next few days.
> you just experienced an issue overwhelmingly likely to be related to maintenance What maintenance? The plane was barely two months old and the part that failed was meant to be something installed permanently, not an emergency exit door that would probably see regular inspections. It's probably "just" sloppy assembly from Boeing/Spirit, which, yes, merit a grounding and inspection.
> What maintenance? The plane was barely two months old
A plane is not a car. They don’t go in once a year to tighten some bolts and replace your oil filter. You have no idea how much is taken apart and reassembled on a regular basis.
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Thats a decent setup for a Hallmark movie - two travelers stranded and isolated find love through the zaney activities used to pass time in a remote locale.
There's real-life precedent. In the same Gander, Newfoundland, even. https://people.com/human-interest/couple-who-met-because-of-...
And a fantastic musical based on that grounding of planes in Gander: https://comefromaway.com/