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Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

mort96 wrote: post #172

Patents are universally stifling innovation in pretty much every area of tech. They need to die. EDIT: And to be clear, this isn’t a case of just having to pay the people who developed the tech for a license. The patent trolls who hold the license aren’t willing to sell Apple a license, unless Apple switches to use their hardware or partner with them to work on Apple’s hardware. There is no excuse. Markets can’t work…

There are two sides to every story, but given some of the evidence in this case, this seems like exactly what patents are supposed to be for. E.g. little company invents novel technology, then big company comes in and copies them (by largely hiring out a bunch of their employees). E.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38689442

I'm also usually strongly against patents, especially for software, but I think your characterization is completely off base here.

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Post by pests »

JohnFen wrote: post #187
mort96 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way I use the term, a company which engages in patent trolling is a patent troll. That seems natural to me, but I apologise if that’s unorthodox use.

What is your definition of "patent trolling"?

Apparently using patents for the reasons intended. Or owning a patent and refusing to let others use it?

Entitlement?

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Post by Affric »

tyleo wrote: post #40

Arbitrage opportunity on Ultra 2? I’d love to have one of these and thought about running out today to get one before I’m locked out. Will others be willing to pay more next month when that lock is in effect?

I read in the other thread that non Apple sellers (e.g. Amazon) will still be permitted but you might be right.

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Post by apurva_a »

Well patents are kinda bad and only signify that someone got there first instead of signifying that they were the only ones ever to do so.

However, seeing this happen to Apple is a bit of schadenfreude, this is the company that filed lawsuits for smartphones having rounded corners.

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Post by peyton »

JohnFen wrote: post #187
mort96 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way I use the term, a company which engages in patent trolling is a patent troll. That seems natural to me, but I apologise if that’s unorthodox use.

What is your definition of "patent trolling"?

I think using the ITC as the forum of choice for patent disputes qualifies. I can’t see why the courts can’t handle this. The federal agency that makes sure the windshield wiper fluid I put in my car is legit isn’t really set up for evaluating complex intellectual property disputes on medical devices.

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Post by llamaInSouth »

tjfjr wrote: post #142
llamaInSouth wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least, unlike copyright, patents don't last forever...

Copyright protection does not last forever, though in my opinion it still lasts far too long.

> Copyright protection does not last forever,

if they finally stop extending it...

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Post by xoranth »

ceejayoz wrote: post #91
xoranth wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you mean shorting Masimo purely to drive down the price, that's market manipulation and is definitely illegal. E.g. https://www.investor.gov/introduction-investing/investing-ba...

Your link doesn't support that assertion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_Research would be out of business if that business model was illegal. You can short all you like; you can't be deceptive/fraudulent about it.

Hindenburg doesn't short in order to drive down the price.

Hindenburg compiles and releases information they believe to be truthful about a company, which they shorted beforehand in order to profit from the information.

What I am talking about is sending orders only to cause a certain reaction (e.g. by convincing momentum traders that there is momentum in a certain direction).

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Post by lijok »

mort96 wrote: post #175
whateverman23 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the opposite of stifling innovation. It's literally not innovative, which is a big point of the ruling. The company produces and sells watches with the technology. It's not a patent troll.

They may be selling products but that doesn’t mean they’re not patent trolls. This is clear patent troll behaviour even if other parts of the business is honest.

Patent trolls by definition do not produce their own goods using the patent

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Post by caminante »

mort96 wrote: post #184
caminante wrote: post #183

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Huh? That doesn't apply here at all. > To avoid a complete ban on sales, Apple had two months to cut a deal with Masimo to license its technology, or it could appeal to the Biden administration to reverse the ruling. But Joe Kiani, the chief executive of Masimo, said in an interview that Apple had not engaged in licensing negotiations

> “If they don’t want to use our chip, I’ll work with them to make their product good,” Mr. Kiani said. “Once it’s good enough, I’m happy to give them a license.” Doesn’t this quite plainly mean that they aren’t willing to just license the patent?

Nothing of the sort.

How does this statement reject a willingness to license?

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by mr_toad »

whateverman23 wrote: post #174
mort96 wrote: post #172

Patents are universally stifling innovation in pretty much every area of tech. They need to die. EDIT: And to be clear, this isn’t a case of just having to pay the people who developed the tech for a license. The patent trolls who hold the license aren’t willing to sell Apple a license, unless Apple switches to use their hardware or partner with them to work on Apple’s hardware. There is no excuse. Markets can’t work…

This is the opposite of stifling innovation. It's literally not innovative, which is a big point of the ruling. The company produces and sells watches with the technology. It's not a patent troll.

> The company produces and sells watches with the technology.

Technology that’s been around since the 30’s and has been put in many other devices including other fitness devices. Putting something in watch form is hardly innovation.

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