The pro-Israel information war • Hacker News Board

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by gedy » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 9:20 PM UTC

jjgreen wrote: post #17

master_crab wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

Funny how so many otherwise clever people get confused about this.

There's no confusion, had Israel or the US busted into civilian homes and raped and murdered women and children, live streaming it - Would you be fine with people marching down the streets the next day in middle eastern countries with Israeli or American flags saying the same thing?

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by dubcanada » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 9:20 PM UTC

ls612 wrote: post #190

Scubabear68 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not holding them to a higher standard. Imagine if you will someone going to start large scale bombing NYC. Or London. Or Rome. The Hamas attack was unprecedented and horrific. I don’t know that it justifies declaring all out war on and entire city. I can say that without being anti-Semitic.

Imagine if a terrorist group murdered 2750 people in New York and in response the US said they would topple the government which supported them and occupy their country indefinitely.

US has toppled governments and occupied countries over far less... probably not the best example.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by Interesco » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 9:20 PM UTC

odiroot wrote: post #116

That's a really... weird article to read. It's like reading a fantasy book about another universe. Or a desperate attempt at "inception". Reddit, at least, seems to be (rightfully or not) dominated by a strongly anti-Israel narrative. Even the "great" BBC is not willing to call a spade a spade.

Interestingly I've seen a strong pro-Israel bias, particularly on the larger subreddits (like the default ones). Some of the smaller ones do seem to have a pro-Palestine (or pro-civilian) outlook but nothing that I would describe as "strongly anti-Israel"

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by qwertthrowway » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 9:21 PM UTC

Glad to see actual discussion on this topic related to technology. Many investigations into social media being used to suppress pro-Palestinian activism, and the involvement of VCs is no less surprising. Anyone in tech who doesn’t care about what’s going on should really take a look into the huge efforts to silence people who are just trying to protect human lives.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by mrguyorama » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 9:21 PM UTC

master_crab wrote: post #13

jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

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Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by dontlaugh » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 9:21 PM UTC

ristlane wrote: post #159

hypeit wrote: post #3

If I'm ever fired for taking a pro-Palestinian stance, I will spend the rest of my life suing everyone involved. The capital community has crossed so many lines in their witch hunt for pro-Palestinan voices that it's not even funny. Our industry has reached a breaking point and I'm not sure what's going to happen since most of the VCs are extremely pro-Zionism and a huge portion of people under the age of 45 are pro-…

I’m very pro-Palestinian. That’s yet another reason why I want Hamas gone. There’s no chance for social justice while terrorists are running the show.

Hamas will only end along with the Zionist occupation.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by omginternets » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 9:21 PM UTC

ristlane wrote: post #127

Scubabear68 wrote: post #91

I have no skin in this game. What I have seen is a confusion (perhaps intentional) between anti-semitism, and protesting Israel’s behavior since the Hamas attack in October. Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response.

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My friend, not conflating groups is literally one of the standards for public discourse in 2023.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by hypeit » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 9:22 PM UTC

sys32768 wrote: post #199

hypeit wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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By your logic, any peoples defeated in warfare and kicked off lands are justified to commit murder, rape, to pillage, and to kidnap occupiers. In America that would include hundreds of Native American tribes today whose descendants could resist that way against Americans, yes?

The Native Americans definitely had the right to fight back against occupation and did famously on many occasions. Sadly they were successfully ethnically cleansed from the land.

The Palestinians are 75 years into the process of colonization and ethnic cleansing. They are actively resisting, as would anyone.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by localplume » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 9:22 PM UTC

Interesco wrote: post #203

odiroot wrote: post #116

That's a really... weird article to read. It's like reading a fantasy book about another universe. Or a desperate attempt at "inception". Reddit, at least, seems to be (rightfully or not) dominated by a strongly anti-Israel narrative. Even the "great" BBC is not willing to call a spade a spade.

Interestingly I've seen a strong pro-Israel bias, particularly on the larger subreddits (like the default ones). Some of the smaller ones do seem to have a pro-Palestine (or pro-civilian) outlook but nothing that I would describe as "strongly anti-Israel"

you should look at the r/palestine if you want see manifestation of hatred. or any heavily left leaning subs.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by proc0 » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 9:22 PM UTC

Scubabear68 wrote: post #91

I have no skin in this game. What I have seen is a confusion (perhaps intentional) between anti-semitism, and protesting Israel’s behavior since the Hamas attack in October. Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response.

Provoking an overreaction was the intention... and yet that is not factored into the criticism.