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DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by interactivecode »

jsyang00 wrote: post #196
zepton wrote: post #147

DoorDash is being misleading when they imply that NYC required a minimum wage of $29.93/hr for delivery workers. DoorDash could comply with the bylaw by paying its contractors $17.96/hr for the full time they work (including time waiting for orders). But DoorDash instead chose to use the "Alternate Method" which has a 67% higher minimum wage, but only for the time the contractor is actively delivering food (not stand…

Wouldn't this incentivize Dasher's to... take longer to deliver? This whole model feels screwed up to me.

Indeed, it would be better if doordash would just hire full time employees. And vet them before hiring with a regular interview process. Instead of constant punitive surveillance with the threat of instant unemployment.

Can you imagine if your dev job was like this? Picking up jobs to write a single function. And if youre too slow, or one too many tests fail you get sacked.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by Scoundreller »

jsyang00 wrote: post #196
zepton wrote: post #147

DoorDash is being misleading when they imply that NYC required a minimum wage of $29.93/hr for delivery workers. DoorDash could comply with the bylaw by paying its contractors $17.96/hr for the full time they work (including time waiting for orders). But DoorDash instead chose to use the "Alternate Method" which has a 67% higher minimum wage, but only for the time the contractor is actively delivering food (not stand…

Wouldn't this incentivize Dasher's to... take longer to deliver? This whole model feels screwed up to me.

... or incentivize them stop instead of running over pedestrians, ride on roads/bikelanes instead of sidewalks.

I know I stay the hell out of the way of by-the-minute "communal" rental cars.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by interactivecode »

darth_avocado wrote: post #155
crmd wrote: post #131

As an old person, I'd like to point out that my hometown of New York City had a dynamic, world class restaurant scene, including a cornucopia of home delivery, long before the tech platform companies found a way to siphon ~40% of consumer spend out of the local restaurant economy in exchange for some friction reduction. We were doing great. But you had a drawer full of paper menus and had to call the restaurant.

This was not very doable pretty much everywhere outside NYC. The lower density of restaurants made it harder for delivery to be a thing except all the pizza places that offered it.

Doordash could just employ delivery drivers to solve this problem. No need for a 100% at will temp work force. They could just hire people part time or full time. And if work is really that surgy they could just have workers on call.

Why does “innovation” have to go hand in hand with fucked up labor practices?

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by Scoundreller »

tsm wrote: post #179
candiddevmike wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you called the restaurant enough, you typically got on a first name basis with them and had incredible customer service. Now you're just another customer #47523 that created order #37324.

We had friends who got Domino's every Thursday. On days when they hadn't called by a certain time, Domino's would call them and ask if they wanted their usual. (This was in Tegucigalpa in the '90s, fwiw)

When I showed up to pickup my pizza and they recognized me, I scaled back a lot. I knew then that I was going too often relative to everyone else.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by Scoundreller »

koolba wrote: post #162
candiddevmike wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you called the restaurant enough, you typically got on a first name basis with them and had incredible customer service. Now you're just another customer #47523 that created order #37324.

> And if you called the restaurant enough, you typically got on a first name basis with them and had incredible customer service. Also Caller ID isn’t that new.

Caller ID made answering phones at work fun. When we saw "you know who" calling, we'd rock paper scissors and the loser would have to answer.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by multicast »

That's awful. That happens when bureaucrats, who often don't understand the most simple basics of economics, mandate socialist rules to private companies. The companies affected by these policies will now just fire people to keep staff cost on the same level as before, period. Thus less people trying to fulfill the role of the same amount of delivery guys as before. And such more stress to fulfill more orders in the same amount of time. In other words the situation for the delivery staff is worse than before. Doordash will now have a much higher staff turnover rate where drivers quit after a few months due to e.g. burnout and are replaced by new workers who intend to take the high wage but only for a few months. Serious long-term employee positions are now gone. And as always nobody forces anyone in any way to work for doordash - people have their own free will to choose to work for doordash for any dollar amount that is offered to them.

No minimum wage is what creates competition between companies, all industries affected by minimum wages already have and will have shitty wages for ages to come. Switzerland as an example is a country where cleaners (CHF 4K a month on average) without any serious education earn a bit less than a well educated professional mechanic and 2x more than a local branch bank employee in Germany, simply because of no minimum wage restrictions (also after monthly living expenses in Switzerland which are relatively high in certain aspects).

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by catchnear4321 »

hamandcheese wrote: post #135
catchnear4321 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> DoorDash is effectively eliminating it (or at least making it truly optional) it was truly optional before, no? you just had to decide if you were taking an option or implicitly being a jerk before ordering. now you decide after. perhaps companies need to stop implying such things altogether. such as could be done by not even mentioning a tip until food is in hand. as that is what a tip is. that the delivery person…

I think tip amount was known to the drivers before accepting an order, so if you select 0 up front you would be likely to wait longer.

this is true. but now the driver wonders about the tip throughout the process. among other issues.

better but still not yet good.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by standardUser »

multicast wrote: post #206

That's awful. That happens when bureaucrats, who often don't understand the most simple basics of economics, mandate socialist rules to private companies. The companies affected by these policies will now just fire people to keep staff cost on the same level as before, period. Thus less people trying to fulfill the role of the same amount of delivery guys as before. And such more stress to fulfill more orders in the…

In Germany and the Nordic states wages are largely controlled by the powerful trade unions, the likes of which do not exist in the US and likely could not exist under current labor laws. Without powerful trade unions to set the floor, we have minimum wages. The alternative - allowing poverty wages - ensures the success of business models that can only survive by employing workers who rely on state aid (or are otherwise destitute). In effect, removing the wage floor just makes government bigger and almost everyone poorer.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by somethoughts »

dragontamer wrote: post #170
handy2000 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are partially correct describing that some delivery drivers already batch their orders. But that's still a different use case. Foodsby can't scale to 15 min increments for all restaurants in the city. While some people can preplan and are OK ordering food from a specific restaurant that Foodsby works with, most people don't want that. How many people want to order food from an expensive Spanish (i.e. Spanish, not…

> Foodsby can't scale to 15 min increments for all restaurants in the city. For some definition of increments and "all", yes they can. Restaraunt#1 delivers at 10:15am. Restaraunt#2 delivers at 10:30am. Etc. etc. etc. Covering the entirety of lunch hours. This is how it works in practice, today. If you're in a location with lots of Foodsby usage, then you might have 3 or 4 different Foodsby locations to check within…

Interestingly in Silicon Valley, there's an angel funded startup founded by an ex-Google foodie who worked with some of the more notable Asian restaurants (the super popular ones with long lines).

She arrange it such that users from a given neighborhood could order via the website app by 4:30 from a specific set of 2-3 restaurants per day. The orders from a given neighborhood are bulk ordered for 3-4 drivers to pick up from the 2-3 restaurants and delivered to the same neighborhood between 6-7pm.

The list of 2-3 restaurants for a given neighborhood are shared a week in advance and in cooperation with the restaurants so they can handle the surge. Since the restaurants no it will likely be reheated the packaging is optimized.

Because there is a rotation of the restaurant - it paradoxically avoids the tyranny of choice issues with picking a restaurant and actually feels fresher in a discover new restaurants type of way.

During ZIRP/Covid the menu prices were sometimes lower and there was no delivery fee. Post Covid they do have a membership option or a very modest delivery fee.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by lozenge »

Scoundreller wrote: post #204
tsm wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had friends who got Domino's every Thursday. On days when they hadn't called by a certain time, Domino's would call them and ask if they wanted their usual. (This was in Tegucigalpa in the '90s, fwiw)

When I showed up to pickup my pizza and they recognized me, I scaled back a lot. I knew then that I was going too often relative to everyone else.

I got a notification from my bank when my girlfriend used her debit card to order at the local Chinese on her way home from work. I was bored so I went to surprise her... she was then greeted there every time with "is your boyfriend coming?"
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