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Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by jonathankoren »

wewxjfq wrote: post #71
jonathankoren wrote: post #24

Abolishing daylight savings and keeping standard time. If you’re going to abolish it, this is the way. None of this permanent summertime nonsense.

I want summer time all year. In winter it really doesn't matter if the sun rises at 8am or 9am and if it sets at 4pm or 5pm, it's depressing no matter what. But with winter time in summer, you rob working people of a chance to catch some sunlight in a meaningful intensity after work. It will just make people more depressed.

Dude. You are aware that the length of daylight naturally gets longer in the summer and shorter in the winter right?

Eliminating daylight savings means the sun goes down at 8pm in August, instead of 9pm.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by jonathankoren »

irdc wrote: post #43
jonathankoren wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very special troll post, and I am all for this troll.

It’s not a troll post, I’m very serious: UTC+0:30 corresponds to the solar time at the geographical midpoint of the continental EU. The advantages are legion.

Non hour time zones are an abomination

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by jonathankoren »

DoughnutHole wrote: post #195
steveBK123 wrote: post #128

This almost feels like a false flag of proposing the most disruptive plan possible such that it couldn't possibly be approved, haha. Splitting & re-groupings are almost arbitrary and have no consideration for politics, business and culture. Ireland & N. Ireland in different TZ? France & Corsica in different TZ? Pushing Ireland & Portugal into their own TZ and calling it Azores time? Bringing UK into alignment with Sp…

On Ireland, our biggest business partner in Europe is still the UK. I don’t think we’ll be clambering to add friction to business with Northern Ireland and Britain so we can hang out with Portugal and Iceland.

Such European parochialism! Next you’ll be talking about how traveling more than 900 meters is an epic adventure.

Trust me. You can deal with 3 hour time difference without even noticing.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by danaris »

ghaff wrote: post #178
danaris wrote: post #151

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I live in Upstate New York, and care much more about the frustration, added stress, and provable loss of life that results from the twice-yearly changing of the clocks than I do about what the clock says when the sun is setting. If I want more sunlight during the time I'm awake, I can get up earlier in the morning .

Not everyone controls their schedule.

But I would hope that everyone cares about provable loss of life from extra heart attacks and traffic accidents.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by dudul »

mklepaczewski wrote: post #198
dudul wrote: post #144

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You would still need to remember to not call your buddy in LA at your "8am" when in NYC. Now you need to take into account what a 9-to-5 translates to for all parts of the world. Solves nothing.

It actually solves a lot, and I contact people on all continents multiple times per day. Currently when you want to schedule a meeting with a person in another timezone you need to do a bit of very confusing math (it's simple addition and subtraction, but one-off errors are rampant) and translate their time to yours. Most of the time both parties try to do it and it gets confusing. Lots of "your time or my time" ques…

You're right. Let's completely change how humanity has done it for centuries so you and your friends don't spend 32sec looking up "current time in X" 2 or 3 times a day.

You would still need to do the effort of understanding what 10pm means for the other party. 10pm may be your lunchtime while it's the middle of the night for them.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by SllX »

candiddevmike wrote: post #185
SllX wrote: post #180

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Why not go just one step further and adopt Swatch Internet Time? I mean if we’re just going to go the mass upheaval route, we might as well ride that train as far as it will go.

I'd rather go all the way, decimal time and dates. Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité

I see Monsieur prefers a bloodier revolution.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by Galacta7 »

SllX wrote: post #180
maicro wrote: post #175

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Honestly I would prefer to go even further - UTC for the entire planet, no offsets. Unfortunately I know most people won't go for that...

Why not go just one step further and adopt Swatch Internet Time? I mean if we’re just going to go the mass upheaval route, we might as well ride that train as far as it will go.

Let's take it to its logical end: Unix time for the whole planet.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by vasco »

maratc wrote: post #166
vasco wrote: post #15

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Same with Portugal, moving to Açores time seems bad, specially for working with the rest of Europe.

Portugal is already an hour behind the rest of Europe.

1 hour behind central, now would be 2 hours.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by euroderf »

serpix wrote: post #85
datadrivenangel wrote: post #76

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Better than sunset at 4:30pm.

you're lucky, it is 3:30pm in Finland. Dusk at 3pm. Up north it is even worse, although they've got the Borealis and usually snow.

One element in timezone decisions is that kids should make the trip to school in daylight. But that is futile in Finland. Today's sunrise in Helsinki (very south) is nearly 9 o'clock.
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