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Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Feels like the kind of situation where the two are just going to end up forming a new company that eventually surpasses OpenAI.

Eventually being maybe 5+ years to build out the cloud tech to do so. The reason GPT-4 succeeded is massive RDMA+GPU compute clusters for training the model.

Isn't that tech only one deal with MSFT away?

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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"full access to everything" feels like a shot across the bow sending a very clear signal to the new board that it should not attempt to limit access to rapid commercial (or other) exploitation of any research results emanating from OpenAI for whatever reason given, be it 'alignment', 'safety' or disproportionate exclusive leverage running afoul of OpenAI's original mission.

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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OpenAI shouldn't even be making a profit, as it's a 501(c)3 charity. The whole umbrella for-profit corp they formed when they became popular should be illegal, and is clearly immoral.

Doesn't Mozilla have an identical structure (which is the inverse of what you said, the nonprofit owns the for-profit--it wouldn't make any sense for a for-profit to own a non-profit due to the no private inurement requirement)?

AFAIK that's how OpenAI does it, the non-profit controls the for-profit.

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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If anything this is a power grab by the board away from Microsoft. Optimistically, this could be an attempt to return OpenAI to its original status as a true non-profit company. OpenAI lost most of its openness under Sam. They needed the Microsoft investment before GPT scaling was proven out. I imagine many entities would be willing to put money into a truly open research lab given OpenAI’s track record.

I almost think its too late at this point, unless they have one hell of an arc. I don't see them being "open" until MS is totally out of the picture. I honestly don't even hate OpenAI in its current state... but sitting on the fence, trying to be both "open" and attached at the hip to MS is just... odd.

MS has no voting shares.

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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post #67

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A big investment from another trillion dollar tech company.

Join them up with Amodei again and.. going wild on speculation and fiction.. they fall back to Elon and Grok and it turns out it was his play all along?

That's would be hilarious

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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post #54
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Greg Brockman has also left: https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559

Feels like the kind of situation where the two are just going to end up forming a new company that eventually surpasses OpenAI.

It is already happening: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38316378

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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post #179

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Unless Google (or someone else) outright acquires GPT4 and future GPT research, it's unlikely that someone will suddenly overtake OpenAI. From what we've seen, no one is close to GPT4, sometimes not even GPT3.

Google didn't 'suddenly' beat out the search competition either. You don't need to. Decline takes time and there are always seeds and early signals.

Yes it did.

There was literally no one at the level of Google when it came out. I still remember Infoseek and Yahoo, both were garbage compared to Goog.

I know they aren't doing their best right now, but there is no need to rewrite history. Google was always superior to their search competitors, which is why it is so sad to see their current situation.

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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post #149

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If OpenAI hadn't restructured they wouldn't have gotten any money from Microsoft and they would have either run out of money or the team would have left and started ClosedAI. There's no scenario where they developed GPT-3/4 while staying nonprofit.

Or they would get more money from other donors to build open source models.

Hard to believe. Nobody is going around throwing billions without any hope of recouping any of it eventually (except the EU of course but giving any money to organizations which actually might be capable of building something useful is against their policy).

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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post #69

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> was ousting CEO Sam Altman just a minute before the news was shared with the world, according to a person familiar with the situation. Maybe almost had to since it was during market hours.

Maybe shouldn't have been given advanced notice at all, since it was during trading hours.

You can still easily buy/sell stocks in the after hours market until 8PM ET or even 24/6 if you want to

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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post #8

If anything this is a power grab by the board away from Microsoft. Optimistically, this could be an attempt to return OpenAI to its original status as a true non-profit company. OpenAI lost most of its openness under Sam. They needed the Microsoft investment before GPT scaling was proven out. I imagine many entities would be willing to put money into a truly open research lab given OpenAI’s track record.

> put money into a truly open research lab given OpenAI’s track record.

Why? It’s hard to imagine anyone putting any significant amounts of money (in comparison to the MS deal anyway) without any exclusivity rights at least

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