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Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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Why do you get to pick which occupations are most worthy?

> Why do you get to pick which occupations are most worthy? Citizens of Republics are given the inherent right to debate matters of public policy concern.

That right is inalienable, not given.

Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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According to TFA, the discrimination happens when Apple doesn’t adequately look for a U.S. employee and instead chooses to to relocate you to the US. How is that not obvious? If Apple is happy to hire you in the UK and you’re happy to live there, the DOJ isn’t going to ask many questions.

This discussion is about EB2/green card process, not L1/H1 visa that employee is given when relocating to the US. That is why it is not obvoius. In a lot of cases, an employee works in UK (or another European) office for many years, then moves to the US on L1A visa, works there for several years, applies to green card (not with intent to stay in US forever, but because L1 visa (and H1 too) cannot be extended for more…

Yes… and you’re not allowed to do that unless you truly can’t find an American to fill the role.

Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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You are writing like we are talking about rocket scientists. PERM applies to both EB2 and EB3 (so in real world anyone making from as low as $50k+/year depending on role qualifies) and most bodyshops apply for green card for all employees - it's just part of business cost. For EB2 PhD is not needed - MS from online paper mill is enough. For EB3, any degree works. It's not tens of thousands in cost - it's below $10k a…

Why should someone making 700k be any different than an 80k employee? Nurses make way less than 700k and should probably be the absolute top of the list.

Why do you hate nurses and want their salary to go down? You understand that result of nurses getting top of the list priority will be lower salary? You can probably drive nurse salaries all the way down to 30k if US recognizes Philippine nurses degrees.

There is society need to drive down unreasonable salaries (700k at Google) - at minimum more cool stuff will be done in US. It’s much less clear that there is society need to drive down middle class salaries.

Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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You are writing like we are talking about rocket scientists. PERM applies to both EB2 and EB3 (so in real world anyone making from as low as $50k+/year depending on role qualifies) and most bodyshops apply for green card for all employees - it's just part of business cost. For EB2 PhD is not needed - MS from online paper mill is enough. For EB3, any degree works. It's not tens of thousands in cost - it's below $10k a…

Hilariously enough, a real rocket scientist, e.g. a NASA scientist, has an average salary around 100K. SWE salary is heavily inflated and even the flawed process we have now is better than one where you only look at the absolute amount of compensation. Why, most scientist jobs requiring PhD pay less than 200K. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/NASA-Scientist-Salaries-E73... https://www.salary.com/research/salary/posti…

Aerospace engineers at SpaceX earn 133-212k according to Glassdoor: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/SpaceX-Aerospace-Engineer-S...

NASA scientists don’t work on rockets; they design experiments for space missions and stuff like that.

Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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Because if there was actually a shortage of $80k employees the salary would increase. There is no better way to determine where there’s a shortage than the salary.

Are you implying that there is an intractable shortage of CEOs in America, that it's MBA education system has utterly failed to meet demand for? Would that explain why their salaries have skyrocketed over the past few decades?

There is shortage of world class CEOs in America. If we talk about Fortune 500 (the only ones where CEOs make a bank) - there are literally less than a thousand people who are or have been CEO of such companies. If we accept immigration system premise (you are qualified and are in similar role outside US right now) the pool of available candidates is likely few dozen people worldwide. The fact that millions of people may want that role is irrelevant as they are not qualified.

MBA education system is irrelevant too as it does not produce CEOs - it produces L4/L5 PMs few of whom after 30 years of stellar career will climb to be CEOs.

Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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>PERM is a much more rigorous and demanding process It's not rigorous or demanding; it's a mostly pointless bureaucratic exercise in bogus paperwork where lawyers and the gov. make bank. From the article : It also required all PERM position applicants to mail paper applications, even though the company permitted electronic applications for other positions," the DOJ said. >Apple actually felt it was worth it Apple doe…

> it's a mostly pointless bureaucratic exercise in bogus paperwork where lawyers and the gov. make bank I love how people always think that The Government™ does things to make money, rather some congressman from the Bible Belt just engaging in straight up xenophobia.

Let me know as soon as any state outside the Bible Belt elects a governor of Indian descent, okay? Meanwhile, please don’t complain about “xenophobia” while simultaneously making extremely ignorant and offensive generalizations about specific parts of the world.

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You are writing like we are talking about rocket scientists. PERM applies to both EB2 and EB3 (so in real world anyone making from as low as $50k+/year depending on role qualifies) and most bodyshops apply for green card for all employees - it's just part of business cost. For EB2 PhD is not needed - MS from online paper mill is enough. For EB3, any degree works. It's not tens of thousands in cost - it's below $10k a…

What % of approved PERM applications do you think had a salary of $50k? Clown.

5-10%? You would be surprised. I know person who got green card with ~$40k salary working as logistics manager in transport company.

Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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> Why do you get to pick which occupations are most worthy? Citizens of Republics are given the inherent right to debate matters of public policy concern.

That right is inalienable, not given.

Good catch.

Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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I have worked at other FAANGs where I see certain immigrant managers only seem to hire other immigrants from the same country...

Sounds like there can be an easy fix for something like this with a few minor HR policy changes

Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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I have worked at other FAANGs where I see certain immigrant managers only seem to hire other immigrants from the same country...

happens every time where I work. once you get a manager from India, they will rarely hire anyone other than Indians again.

Every group does this, but its okay to openly write discriminatory shit against Indians and chinese online.

Just look at the academic hiring phds for aerospace related department in US and tell me its not filled with hispanics.

When you start pointing fingers at people other than Indian/SEA and Chinese now it gets into the racist territory.

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