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Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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bluetidepro wrote: post #124
Lazare wrote: post #56

Just chiming in here. My experience is: * Google search was good, but has been steadily getting worse. Over the last 1-3 years it's become actively unplesant. * DDG solves a lot of privacy issues, but the search quality is strictly worse than Google. I know people who use it preferentially, and I respect that, but personally Google search is already so bad than opting for something even worse is hard for me to accept…

I love Kagi, too. I’ve mostly switched over. The one main thing I still find myself using Google for though is sports scores. That’s one thing I wish Kagi had. I love just searching “bears” or “colts” on Google on a NFL game day and immediately getting the live score at the top of the results. Kagi doesn’t have that feature yet, and I hope they add it.

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Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by wutwutwat »

juunpp wrote: post #197
wutwutwat wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless they MITM you and whatever app you’re using doesn’t do cert pinning, or they don’t have a legit root cert that they can sign completely valid certs with

To MITM me they'd need the intermediate or root certs of whatever I am connecting to? I don't see how even pinning the cert would help if the chain is invalid to begin with.

Yes sorry there was a typo in my earlier comment, but that’s what I was saying. If they have a stolen root cert, or are given one, they could produce 100% valid certs and youd never be able to tell they were doing it. I find it hard to believe the root certs of the internet have been kept safe all these years from the intelligence branches of these governments that are at cyber war all the time. I wouldn’t be surprised to one day learn root certificates were willingly given to intelligence branches for “national security” or whatever

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by wutwutwat »

reportgunner wrote: post #176
wutwutwat wrote: post #153

Maybe my shit is all being MITM’d but Google, DDG, and Kagi all spit out the same useless results. Doesn’t matter what I search for, and I’m not searching for anything special, just everyday random things. Search has regressed to ask Jeeves days imo

What are you searching for ?

Everyday random things. You’ll have to be my ISP, government, or browser if you want to collect specifics. Hit up Google they’ll sell it to you, just cut me a commission check will ya?

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by temp2022account »

pkulak wrote: post #109
Lazare wrote: post #56

Just chiming in here. My experience is: * Google search was good, but has been steadily getting worse. Over the last 1-3 years it's become actively unplesant. * DDG solves a lot of privacy issues, but the search quality is strictly worse than Google. I know people who use it preferentially, and I respect that, but personally Google search is already so bad than opting for something even worse is hard for me to accept…

If Kagi keeps charging, it will never be popular. They could lower their price to $0.99 a year with the same result. And that's a good thing.

By that logic, life itself can never be popular. Everyone in the world makes/has access to a non-zero amount of money, and where it goes is our collective human decision for how the world should operate. You're spending money right now, because of your opportunity cost!

Kagi v Google, in terms of "How do you operate as an organization wrt the world?"?

Kagi wins hands-down. I couldn't care less about the privacy angle, the QUALITY is amazing. It's like traveling back to 2008, and for $10/mo that's a sweet deal.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by temp2022account »

NetOpWibby wrote: post #73
archildress wrote: post #17

I really can't make clear enough how good Kagi is. I've tried all the competing emerging search engines as they've had their 5 minutes of fame. They don't compare to kagi. it's the first google rip and replace I've ever tried. Pony up the $10 a month and put your money where your mouth is on "let's pay for products instead of being sold to advertisers."

Narrator: They won't. I upgraded my subscription a few weeks ago because I blew past the first tier's limits. Kagi kinda fills the Neeva-sized hole in my heart.

Anecdata; I did. Best $10/mo I've spent in a few years.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by NetOpWibby »

manonthewall wrote: post #128
sxg wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi doesn't need to win, and they know that. Kagi just has to focus on serving a tiny percentage of Google power users in order to be profitable and induce Google search to compete.

And if they stay private they can make a tidy profit without the pressure of "growth tech stock" shadowing their existence. I suspect they have an exit plan to get bought off by google if they grow enough though. Imagine "Google Search Platinum Edition"

I sure hope they don't. Google is big enough, we need alternatives.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by temp2022account »

wutwutwat wrote: post #203
reportgunner wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you searching for ?

Everyday random things. You’ll have to be my ISP, government, or browser if you want to collect specifics. Hit up Google they’ll sell it to you, just cut me a commission check will ya?

> Everyday random things

If your searches are this descriptive then yes, I'd expect useless results everywhere. I use Kagi where Bing used to be, for technical reference lookups. It's excellent at putting API docs front-and-center, which means I can alt-tab back to my text editor that much faster. What I love about Kagi is how little of my time and attention the tool requires.

Also my own anecdata - the privacy concerns are a red herring, because the utility of knowing everything you've typed into your PC is diminished when ad surface area no longer exists. I like that Kagi has a privacy focus, but them losing it would not cause me to stop paying for the service as long as the quality was the same or better.

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Post by Malp »

theshrike79 wrote: post #142

Is Kagi really that good or is their Astroturfing game just next level? I've never heard anyone say anything bad about it - and we're still talking about a $10/month search engine. Something that has been historically free at all times.

I had similar thoughts about a year ago. My experience is that the results are that good, though sometimes there are changes under the hood which lead to poor or limited results- it is a beta project, after all. I used the free trial, following which I stayed on the monthly sub before paying a lump sum of $100 for the next 10 months. I've enjoyed my correspondence with the CEO as well. YMMV

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by Malp »

btzs wrote: post #118
shepherdjerred wrote: post #85

What I love about Kagi is that I never find myself needing Google. Years ago when I tried out DDG, I found myself appending !g to every query, and I thought that Google Search would always have a place in my life, but Kagi results are _so_ good. So, once YouTube has a viable replacement I might be able to delete my Google account.

Not ideal but I use Invidious and redirect any Youtube search results to my Invidious instance. Go to Kagi settings -> advanced --> Redirects and add https://www.youtube.com/watch\?v=(.*)|https://yt.oelrichsgarcia.de/watch\?v=$1 I use my own Invidious instance. yt.oelrichsgarcia.de is from https://docs.invidious.io/instances/#list-of-public-invidiou...

Both are written in Crystal, interestingly enough

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #99

Related. Others? Ask HN: How to Pronounce Kagi? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37616169 - Sept 2023 (12 comments) Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37603905 - Sept 2023 (944 comments) Kagi search is 6 times faster than Google - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37588686 - Sept 2023 (5 comments) Kagi Small Web - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37420281 - S…

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