Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

cnn.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

201–210 of 269 posts

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

#201

Post by Tao3300 »

mhuffman wrote: post #113
binarymax wrote: post #103

It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

>Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion. Here's a hot take -- I think all the Nobel Prizes, not just the Peace Price are politicized, corrupt, pop-culture-ish, and basically just in-group accolades! Similar to the Academy Awards.

I've never been happier to be out of the in-group than I am on the day I learned Iranian prisons are part of the in-group.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

#204

Post by tshaddox »

mhuffman wrote: post #162
tshaddox wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, are you implying that popular culture is bad? Should we simply not have popular culture?

>Wait, are you implying that popular culture is bad? Should we simply not have popular culture? No, but probably not the best way to run science, academics, medicine, long-term civil projects, etc.

Well, Nobel Prizes aren't exactly "how we run science, medicine, etc." But perhaps you could argue that chasing Nobel Prizes is a counterproductively strong incentive in those fields (I have no idea if that is the case).

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

#205

Post by bt4u »

imjonse wrote: post #53
archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

Lê_Đức_Thọ, who fought the US in Vietnam, got it in 1973 (together with Kissinger) and promptly refused it. Maybe the Nobel committee does not want to be embarrassed by a refusal again, and that is the only reason it no longer awards it to anti-western activists :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%AA_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c_Th%E1...

[dead]

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

#206

Post by Qiu_Zhanxuan »

continuitylimit wrote: post #183
LindeBuzoGray wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through Iran had a parliament in 1953, when the US and UK launched operation Ajax after the prime Minister nationalized Iran's oil. The prime Minister was ousted, a dictator replaced him - who returned to Iran on a flight with Allen Dulles. The conservative mullahs were western allies in removing power from the parliament. Then this st…

Your story about operation Ajax is just that - a story. Iran’s PMs were all elected by parliament and the one before Mr. Mossadeq was assassinated by Islamists allied to your “democrat” who then let the killer get off with no jail time. You also fail to note that the PM in question had a “99%” referendum during his tenure. You also fail to mention that the said PM refused his constitutionally valid dismissal by the S…

Most people today would agree with Mossadegh's initiative and the point remains that he was ousted from power for his nationalization of a western oil company and his inimity with the islamists and the Shah. The US helped in the process. And it's no disrespect to the iranians to state those facts.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

#207

Post by [deleted] »

binarymax wrote: post #103

It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

[deleted]

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

#208

Post by shihab »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #195
shihab wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're mistaken about Yasser Arafat. He wasn't awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for fighting Israeli apartheid; rather, he received it for ceasing that fight in line with the Oslo Accords- a deal brokered by the United States. Here's a visual representation of why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords#/media/File:Bill_...

Arafat was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to make peace in the middle east (as were Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin), not for ceasing his political fight or for giving up his ambitions. He said: "Peace is in our interest: as only in an atmosphere of just peace shall the Palestinian people achieve their legitimate ambition for independence and sovereignty." Narges Mohammadi's fight is a peaceful one as w…

I do not disagree that this was a peaceful move, I rather disagree that Yasser Arafat is an example of someone getting the peace prize despite acting against American/Western interest.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

#209

Post by nirav72 »

brookst wrote: post #98
sneak wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They gave the Nobel Peace Prize to a US president who had ordered so many drone strikes that even by the US's own admission, hundreds of children were slaughtered. It's pretty farcical.

It’s a common misconception that the prize is for being a 100% peaceful person one’s entire life. In fact the award is for making progress on peace in a specific context; it is not meant to certify the recipient has no blood on their hands. See also: all of the winners whose pasts include revolutionary actions that killed innocents.

Including a former member of the Waffen-SS.

https://www.dw.com/en/nobel-prize-winner-grass-under-fire-fo...

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

#210

Post by continuitylimit »

Qiu_Zhanxuan wrote: post #206
continuitylimit wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your story about operation Ajax is just that - a story. Iran’s PMs were all elected by parliament and the one before Mr. Mossadeq was assassinated by Islamists allied to your “democrat” who then let the killer get off with no jail time. You also fail to note that the PM in question had a “99%” referendum during his tenure. You also fail to mention that the said PM refused his constitutionally valid dismissal by the S…

Most people today would agree with Mossadegh's initiative and the point remains that he was ousted from power for his nationalization of a western oil company and his inimity with the islamists and the Shah. The US helped in the process. And it's no disrespect to the iranians to state those facts.

who are these “most people”?

Everyone in Iran, including the Shah, wanted Iran’s oil nationalized. It was the economic consequences that tempered others. The Good Dr. had to go hat in hand to US and beg Eisenhower to aid after oil revenues stopped. That was his bright idea.

Also your story is not the propaganda narrative that is repeated. This is the single paragraph story:

Iran did have a democratic government, but because the PM nationalized the oil, US did a coup and installed a dictator, the shah.

And that is entirely different from your “US helped in the process”. That would be accurate because that is all it was: in the main political support. Then, we in fact had a decade were Generals were powerful, until the Shah, finally in 60s (without CIA and to the great annoyance of the Kennedys) assumed all the power after having disbanded the Communist party and defanged the National Front. The “dictatorship” began 10 years later and it was far more benevolent than say a psycho killer like Mao who murdered millions. But Mao was a “great man” and the Shah is a “dictator”. Go figure.

Post reply on HN