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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by ClassyJacket »

mr_mitm wrote: post #47
wodenokoto wrote: post #40

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It's been asking me about these and from what it tells me on my phone I don't understand what they are getting at. But more importantly, how does it differentiate between "Your delivery has arrived" and "this weekend, 10% off all deliveries paid with mastercard from chase banks"

On android, each app's notifications are categorized. For, say, Uber, I can enable the obvious useful notifications and can disable promotional notifications. Presumably Google penalizes ignoring or abusing this system.

You can't, tho, because no major apps actually separate the promotional notifications.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by FridgeSeal »

donmcronald wrote: post #179
alexanderchr wrote: post #79

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It is a breach of trust. I give apps access to my immediate attention so they can notify me of things that need my attention. Not for telling me about their new features or some crappy partner deal. For this reason I have a one strike policy for apps. One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. Missing out on surprisingly little although it has made me stop using some services entirely.

That's exactly what I do! Google and Apple could instantly fix the problem (of co-mingling essential and marketing notifications) if they wanted to . The current situation is like getting opted in to "street signs and flashing billboards". It's stupid.

I have an iOS device, so can’t speak for Google, but I suspect that’s what Apple has been _trying_ to do.

The problem is that these apps are essentially adversarial in their notifications. If you have a mechanism for “only the most essential notifications”, then they simply mark all their notifications as “essential” (looking at you Uber). Try to limit their notifications using “only is summary” or disabling them and the app will gleefully deny you all notifications, rendering it basically useless. Uber is particular is guilty for this - the app is conspicuously free of meaningful notification controls.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by bqmjjx0kac »

dvngnt_ wrote: post #199
donmcronald wrote: post #179

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That's exactly what I do! Google and Apple could instantly fix the problem (of co-mingling essential and marketing notifications) if they wanted to . The current situation is like getting opted in to "street signs and flashing billboards". It's stupid.

on android this is a solved problem via notification categories.

I recall some apps seemed to keep inventing new categories that I hadn't blocked yet.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by FridgeSeal »

gnicholas wrote: post #166
cptskippy wrote: post #161

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> There isn’t one unified settings area for all notifications, which makes this extra tricky. Perhaps not in the App but in the OS there is. On Android you can pull a notification to the side to reveal a settings icon. Open it and click the settings icon in the top right to reveal granular app notification settings and the option to completely disable notifications.

Yeah I think iOS has some level of granularity, like "time-sensitive" versus other notifications, but you can't disable marketing versus ride-related notifications in one predictable place (you have to hunt through the app's privacy settings, IIRC, to find at least some of them). I wish Apple would provide a per-app setting that controlled necessary versus unnecessary notifications.

The issue is that Uber marks all their stupid notifications as “time sensitive”, so it’s all-or-nothing with them.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by xyst »

nitwit005 wrote: post #173

A majority of these notifications are the teens communicating with their peers. That's how you get an absurd total like thousands a day. Much of their socializing has moved online. Parents have effectively encouraged this trend, despite complaining about phone time. People are far less willing to let their children just hang around the neighborhood, or walk to a friend's home these days, which forces communication th…

> People are far less willing to let their children just hang around the neighborhood, or walk to a friend's home these days, which forces communication through phone or desktop app instead.

In America, often “walking to a friend’s home” is a 45-60 minute walk. Crossing multiple busy streets and the sad excuse suburbanites call “boulevards”. Suburban neighborhoods are often the worst as far as safety is concerned. Drivers don’t give af about pedestrians. Sidewalks non-existent or abruptly end.

Biking may reduce the travel time but still sharing those roads with highly irritable commuters finishing their 45-60 minute commute from hell. Bike infra in the suburbs? Paint up the road, add a sign indicating it’s a “shared lane” and that passes as “bike infrastructure” in some of these neighborhoods.

Unfortunately, this is not something new. It has been going on for decades. Want to know why the kid in the 90s-00s spent most of their time at home playing video games? That’s because it was the only thing to do in a suburban setting.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by marcosdumay »

anigbrowl wrote: post #191

Marketing people are trash, episode someverylargenumber You know where we need lots of marketing people? Mars. I think we should send them there first to build the consumer society that will be necessary for colonizing a new planet, perhaps in some sort of space Ark.

Just maybe keep the tefone cleaners.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by rodgerd »

donmcronald wrote: post #179
alexanderchr wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a breach of trust. I give apps access to my immediate attention so they can notify me of things that need my attention. Not for telling me about their new features or some crappy partner deal. For this reason I have a one strike policy for apps. One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. Missing out on surprisingly little although it has made me stop using some services entirely.

That's exactly what I do! Google and Apple could instantly fix the problem (of co-mingling essential and marketing notifications) if they wanted to . The current situation is like getting opted in to "street signs and flashing billboards". It's stupid.

The EU is about to make it literally illegal for them to do so, so no they can't.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by jabroni_salad »

Freak_NL wrote: post #77
haolez wrote: post #26

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It's cool, but some apps (like food delivery apps) conflate all notifications into a single category, probably in an attemp to abuse the system.

I see the 'food delivery app' come up a few times in this thread. Do you really need an app to use such services in some countries? Whenever I want to order a meal for delivery I just go to the restaurant's website, or sometimes look at the list of available restaurants in Thuisbezorgd.nl (part of the company which owns Grubhub etc.) and then visit the restaurant website and order there. If there's something that nee…

Where I live, the only restaurants that offer delivery are Chinese and Pizza, and this is pretty typical for most locales. What grubhub did was antagonistically create delivery services for literally every restaurant and collect those menus into their own app. If the restaurant doesn't cooperate they will just call the place and pretend to be a customer. They also buy ads so that when you search for you will get a dynamically generated grubhub page that 'looks official'.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by cjpearson »

donmcronald wrote: post #179
alexanderchr wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a breach of trust. I give apps access to my immediate attention so they can notify me of things that need my attention. Not for telling me about their new features or some crappy partner deal. For this reason I have a one strike policy for apps. One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. Missing out on surprisingly little although it has made me stop using some services entirely.

That's exactly what I do! Google and Apple could instantly fix the problem (of co-mingling essential and marketing notifications) if they wanted to . The current situation is like getting opted in to "street signs and flashing billboards". It's stupid.

Apple used to ban advertising push notifications. They began allowing them to avoid claims of anti-competitive behavior.
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