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Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by hot_gril »

maxsilver wrote: post #150
endisneigh wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what product or service has lasted indefinitely? Google will compensate those who adopted it, life goes on.

Microsoft Windows still exists, and can open executable compiled for it 25+ years ago. Microsoft Office still exists, and can still open Word / Excel / etc files from 25+ years ago. Adobe Photoshop still exists, and can open PSD files created 25+ years ago. Microsoft Xbox One X still exists, and is backwards compatible with titles from the OG Xbox release, as far back as 22 years ago - https://www.xbox.com/en-us/game…

Meanwhile Microsoft killed my Minecraft account that had been peacefully existing since 2012. Botched migration to MS accounts locked out everyone who no longer had access to their old email addresses.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by bagels »

justapassenger wrote: post #120
nerdjon wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't really matter how many people were affected, the point is that people made an investment (and not a small one) and its being shut down. And it isn't like this is the first hardware that Google has abandoned, but they turn it into ewaste since it's tied to the cloud.

It’s being shutdown after 8 years. That’s not a bad lifespan. Most electronics are obsolete but that age and replaced with new ones. Especially at businesses - it’s already amortized by then and reached end of life. Google sucks, but I think you’re blowing this out of proportion.

When did they stop selling them?

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by hot_gril »

endisneigh wrote: post #151
maxsilver wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft Windows still exists, and can open executable compiled for it 25+ years ago. Microsoft Office still exists, and can still open Word / Excel / etc files from 25+ years ago. Adobe Photoshop still exists, and can open PSD files created 25+ years ago. Microsoft Xbox One X still exists, and is backwards compatible with titles from the OG Xbox release, as far back as 22 years ago - https://www.xbox.com/en-us/game…

None of these are managed solutions tied to hardware, so the comparisons are irrelevant. What hardware that [inherently] requires a managed service still exists after 10 years? Jamboard inherently required the cloud for "jams". Google will allow for migration to other services that do the same thing and will compensate for the hardware. Zune is dead as well as the store and your other comparisons are disingenuous at…

I checked the Wii Shop just now... nope, it's dead.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by fragmede »

mmkos wrote: post #127

It's about time we had legislation (at least in the EU) that mandated an option to be able to use physical products in an offline mode. Features that require a connection to the Internet should only be an augmentation at most and not the core without which the product cannot work.

Or some way to force opening up the software upon the product's death. The hardware is great and I'd love to pick one up for cheap for my home office to use for Zoom meetings.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by kwhitefoot »

duxup wrote: post #188
unsui wrote: post #165

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Responding to some of the comments saying that jamboard had a good run and people shouldn't be outraged that google made a decision in their own interest... Everybody remembers the old saying, "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". Well, there should be a reciprocal saying: "Anybody who ever buys google should be fired". If the lesson here is "caveat emptor", then the real lesson is this: don't buy google.

I worked for a sorta "satellite" IBM company. There was always a path or solution of some sort in the IBM world. Expensive as hell yeah but there was a path. And if you wanted to do something slightly weird or that IBM just didn't want to do... there were these satellite companies that IBM was happy to work with us to cover other solutions. IBM never cut us off, was happy to certify stuff to work with them and so on.…

Google is 25 years old. IBM is 99 years old as IBM plus 13 years as the Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company. I wonder which one will still be running at the end of the next 87 years that Google will have to run to equal that? And how many more times Google will pull stunts like this and the Nest thermostat business along the way.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by freedrock87 »

jasonjayr wrote: post #130
justapassenger wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s being shutdown after 8 years. That’s not a bad lifespan. Most electronics are obsolete but that age and replaced with new ones. Especially at businesses - it’s already amortized by then and reached end of life. Google sucks, but I think you’re blowing this out of proportion.

8 years ? For a display that's essentially a graphics terminal to a remote app? That customers are paying for ongoing service? For hardware that is still 100% working? Honestly, what is really stopping it from being supported? Can they unlock it so a secondary market can load OSS onto it and keep it going for the next 10-15 years?

Not sure where the 8 years number is from. It was launched in 2017 and CDW was selling it until 2021. That means some people have it for less than 2 years

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by hotnfresh »

killjoywashere wrote: post #144

We have a few of these in our office. The experience is decent, but, man, I really miss chalkboards. I just don't find whiteboards, physical or virtual, as compelling. I actually make some use of the Jamboard app in meetings occasionally, but usually I'm at a desk with my feet up, using a tablet to draw while everyone else is remote. Not only has Jamboard never been a first-class citizen, no whiteboard is a first-cla…

I like the way (good) chalkboards look but touching chalk sets my teeth on edge.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by hot_gril »

endisneigh wrote: post #118
nerdjon wrote: post #101

How people continue to trust buying anything from Google is just beyond me. I am glad that they are doing something for schools, but this is just ridiculous. Shutting down a free service that you didn't have to buy into, fine whatever. It still sucks but at least you didn't invest in a platform. But if you are going to make a physical device you cannot treat it like you treat everything else.

what product or service has lasted indefinitely? Google will compensate those who adopted it, life goes on.

The only one I can think of is Ring. Bravo to them.

Most cloud-supported hardware is pretty fragile, but services in general can last much longer. Google's excessive churn with chat/social services is probably what earned their bad reputation. They also screwed up Nest. 8 years is a lot for them.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by kwhitefoot »

justapassenger wrote: post #120
nerdjon wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't really matter how many people were affected, the point is that people made an investment (and not a small one) and its being shut down. And it isn't like this is the first hardware that Google has abandoned, but they turn it into ewaste since it's tied to the cloud.

It’s being shutdown after 8 years. That’s not a bad lifespan. Most electronics are obsolete but that age and replaced with new ones. Especially at businesses - it’s already amortized by then and reached end of life. Google sucks, but I think you’re blowing this out of proportion.

So you would be happy if Tesla were to stop supporting my eight year old Model S?

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by bartwr »

The amount of people here saying it's ok or even a long lifespan (?!) is shocking.

At college, around 2008 I had electronic circuit labs where we used Soviet oscilloscopes dating back to the 70s. They worked perfectly well (we couldn't read the Cyryllic, but after 10min intro you understand the knobs). And why wouldn't they work?

Stockholm syndrome of some is unbelievable. And then when I say that I don't want any cloud-controlled devices, people tell me I'm paranoid...

If Google is to retire hardware like this, they should either open source the full stack, write new OSS version of it, or refund the customers plus be fined in tens of millions for e-waste. (While they green wash).

PS. I used Jamboards at Google and they were cool for meetings or job interviews.

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