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Re: macOS Containers v0.0.1

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Post by rafaelmn »

zitsarethecure wrote: post #178
unsupp0rted wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's only a 1% chance these days on Linux that your sound won't work or your computer won't sleep when you close the lid or your wifi won't work, or your ethernet, or your cooling, or a peripheral, or CPU/memory spikes. And a 90% chance it'll be at least one such thing.

All of those things work fine on every computer in my household that runs Linux. This spans thinkpad, dell and ASUS laptops, Dell desktops, home-built gamer type desktops, a few raspberry pi's, and a SFF PC we use to run Kodi on the main TV. I do find it amusing in a thread about how you have to turn off a core security feature to be able to use containers properly on a Mac that the discussion immediately turns to ho…

Haha now that you mention it touch (trackpad) absolutely sucks on Linux when I last tried it - I couldn't even get palm rejection to work.

But this isn't bashing on linux desktop (I would use it if Mac wasn't an option) as much as giving a reason why people would use MacOS despite being annoyed by SIP.

Re: macOS Containers v0.0.1

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Post by pjmlp »

tambourine_man wrote: post #164

It’s remarkable that Apple doesn’t have a first party solution to this yet. They used be, or aspire to be, at the forefront of OS research.“The most advanced Unix”. They’re not even trying, now.

A/UX wasn't that much advanced, and most technology interesting stuff in NeXTSTEP, and OS X, is completely unrelated to UNIX.

Re: macOS Containers v0.0.1

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Post by crabbone »

Unrelated to containers themselves: how do you make a patch when no version was released? I mean, people call this "semantic" versioning, but then spit in the face of those semantics...

Re: macOS Containers v0.0.1

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Post by pid-1 »

lloeki wrote: post #70
highwaylights wrote: post #16

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This introduces a long-standing problem that is really the main issue I have with Docker/Podman/containers on anything other than Linux - you have a dedicated VM that needs memory to be set aside for it exclusively. This is fine if you have a 32/64GB machine, but less so on an 8GB non-upgradeable laptop. I get it - memory is relatively cheap these days - and manufacturers that are building memory-limited devices are…

> If anyone knows of any projects trying to work around that problem I'd love to hear about it. Containers are namespaced processes. These processes exec against the corresponding kernel they require. There is no workaround: if you have an ELF binary calling Linux syscalls it can only run on a Linux kernel†, so to run that you need a VM††. It's not as bad as it appears thanks to memory ballooning†††. Conversely if yo…

The challenge of running OCI containers in every OS is a bit similar to the problem of running the same binary in every OS.

I think the only true solutions are (a) OS vendors develop their own native container platforms with UX similar or better than Docker (b) OS vendors agree on some common ABI standard

Re: macOS Containers v0.0.1

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Post by comandillos »

highwaylights wrote: post #7

https://github.com/macOScontainers/homebrew-formula "macOS native containers" Cool, this sounds interesting. "Disable System Identity Protection." Eesh.

That's what it takes to implement container-ish technology on macOS. Hopefully one day Darwin will get real namespaces as Linux does.

Re: macOS Containers v0.0.1

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Post by artursapek »

matwood wrote: post #148
prmoustache wrote: post #103

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Is Apple Pay that popular?

On mobile absolutely [1]. Not sure on the computer, but I use it all the time. [1] https://capitaloneshopping.com/research/apple-pay-statistics...

Apple Pay rocks, it has saved me a few times when I forgot my wallet. And it’s faster to use than pulling out my wallet.

Re: macOS Containers v0.0.1

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Post by joshgachnang »

crabbone wrote: post #203

Unrelated to containers themselves: how do you make a patch when no version was released? I mean, people call this "semantic" versioning, but then spit in the face of those semantics...

0.1.0 might make more sense, but still not completely (backwards compatible with what?). Then again, it doesn't really matter. It's not like someone's going to accidentally install 0.0.1 because of semantic versioning not being 100% correct.

Re: macOS Containers v0.0.1

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Post by slonopotamus »

crabbone wrote: post #203

Unrelated to containers themselves: how do you make a patch when no version was released? I mean, people call this "semantic" versioning, but then spit in the face of those semantics...

Original author here. I wanted to clearly indicate early-prealpha-unstable-not-for-production-yet state of this software. Using "1.0.0" and even "1.0.0-alpha" would give false expectations about maturity of this project.
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