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NASA’s Webb finds carbon source on surface of Jupiter’s moon Europa

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Re: NASA’s Webb finds carbon source on surface of Jupiter’s moon Europa

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

bmitc wrote: post #193
uoaei wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> detracts from it I think you're assigning a moral quality to certain kinds of knowledge that isn't warranted.

I don't know what that means. The statement just wasn't useful and comes across as sassy and arrogant.

the most important thing though, is that that statement is true and verifiably so.

I am one of those persons that learned something by reading that comment.

assuming arrogance and sassyness in an otherwise neutral exposition of a true fact, to me means that, as usually happens, arrogance and sassyness are in the eye of the beholder.

Re: NASA’s Webb finds carbon source on surface of Jupiter’s moon Europa

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Post by diarrhea »

mjan22640 wrote: post #199
c54 wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Metabolism converts sugars and oxygen to carbon dioxide and water. Fire has the same inputs and outputs too! You can think of metabolism as releasing the same energy as fire but with more steps so our bodies can harness and use the energy via various other chemical reactions. Most of the water from metabolism is released in your breath. Water you pee is mostly water you ingested via drinking and eating.

How do the kidneys identify the H2O molecules origin?

It’s a tagged Union with associated data (the molecule), released in edition Homo Erectus. Pretty nifty feature a lot of other species lack. Abstract Human Types are much more powerful than what Homo Go can offer, for example.

Re: NASA’s Webb finds carbon source on surface of Jupiter’s moon Europa

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Post by mclightning »

monlockandkey wrote: post #21

Europa is definitely the most exciting part of the solar system that sparks imagination. Literally 100s of miles of pitch black ocean with thermal vents, ripe for life. Getting kiddy thinking about the leviathan sized aliens roaming the deep ocean of Europa. Does anyone else feel this way?

technically, most exciting part of our solar system is Earth. Have you never been to Vegas?

Re: NASA’s Webb finds carbon source on surface of Jupiter’s moon Europa

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Post by thombat »

kolinko wrote: post #185
nojvek wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same H2O molecules, different levels of other molecules mixed in with it. It is possible to recycle urine into drinkable water. That’s what they do in international space station where water is very precious. https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/news/wat...

They also do it in Singapore iirc.

I'm curious why this would be worthwhile: since Singapore is an island conventional desalination would seem easier than either coping with the witches' brew of sewage (random amounts of random chemicals) or the expense of plumbing urine separately.

Re: NASA’s Webb finds carbon source on surface of Jupiter’s moon Europa

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Post by bbor »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #201
bmitc wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what that means. The statement just wasn't useful and comes across as sassy and arrogant.

the most important thing though, is that that statement is true and verifiably so. I am one of those persons that learned something by reading that comment. assuming arrogance and sassyness in an otherwise neutral exposition of a true fact, to me means that, as usually happens, arrogance and sassyness are in the eye of the beholder.

Is the most important thing in communication that each statement is true, or that true information is successfully conveyed? If I prefaced this comment with true facts about how bad your life in particular is, I doubt you'd be ready to read the rest of it :)

  arrogance and sassyness are in the eye of the beholder
very true - but true of all aspects of communication, I think

Re: NASA’s Webb finds carbon source on surface of Jupiter’s moon Europa

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Post by bbor »

kolinko wrote: post #185
nojvek wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same H2O molecules, different levels of other molecules mixed in with it. It is possible to recycle urine into drinkable water. That’s what they do in international space station where water is very precious. https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/news/wat...

They also do it in Singapore iirc.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/06/02/singapore-wate...

context

Re: NASA’s Webb finds carbon source on surface of Jupiter’s moon Europa

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

bbor wrote: post #205
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the most important thing though, is that that statement is true and verifiably so. I am one of those persons that learned something by reading that comment. assuming arrogance and sassyness in an otherwise neutral exposition of a true fact, to me means that, as usually happens, arrogance and sassyness are in the eye of the beholder.

Is the most important thing in communication that each statement is true, or that true information is successfully conveyed? If I prefaced this comment with true facts about how bad your life in particular is, I doubt you'd be ready to read the rest of it :) arrogance and sassyness are in the eye of the beholder very true - but true of all aspects of communication, I think

> Is the most important thing in communication that each statement is true, or that true information is successfully conveyed?

the former.

I, for example, am not native English speaker, so, for example, in this case should you learn Italian to the point where you are able to successfully convey the information to me, which could be "never"?

> f I prefaced this comment with true facts about how bad your life in particular is, I doubt you'd be ready to read the rest of it :)

you can try, but be ready to fail miserably. Also: I am very well aware how bad my life is, I would say that only an arrogant can think to know it better than me to the point that I will be surprised or shocked.

Re: NASA’s Webb finds carbon source on surface of Jupiter’s moon Europa

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Post by bbor »

simongray wrote: post #197

> NASA's Webb I guess it may be technically owned and primarily operated by NASA, but it was developed from the start as an international project: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Webb_Space_Telescope#Par...

I also hate American-centrism but it seems kinda justified here - they do go out of their way to mention ESA and CSA at the end, as well.

From that article:

  NASA's lifetime cost for the project is[when?] expected to be US$9.7 billion, of which US$8.8 billion was spent on spacecraft design and development and US$861 million is planned to support five years of mission operations.[112] Representatives from ESA and CSA stated their project contributions amount to approximately €700 million and CA$200 million, respectively.[113]
So it's 7.0% European, 1.5% Canadian, and 91.5% American (at current exchange rates). My takeaway is: good for Canada!!

Re: NASA’s Webb finds carbon source on surface of Jupiter’s moon Europa

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Post by sylware »

People must understand the following: if we find One Microbe in such environment, it basically means life is common in the universe. The other thing people must understand: "life" and "fully evolved intelligent life" are two very different stories.

Re: NASA’s Webb finds carbon source on surface of Jupiter’s moon Europa

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Post by jcims »

sylware wrote: post #209

People must understand the following: if we find One Microbe in such environment, it basically means life is common in the universe. The other thing people must understand: "life" and "fully evolved intelligent life" are two very different stories.

Unless it has a common ancestor to life here. Then we still have to figure out if it started in this solar system or not.
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