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Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by isoprophlex »

With current electricity infrastructure, won't that completely saturate the grid and/or be problematic for people wanting to actually put the chargers somewhere?

We're talking megawatts here, and (at least over here) getting a grid connection of more than a couple of hundred kilowatts means serious talks with the grid operators. Because larger max loads mean larger potential impact on the grid when your load suddenly switches on, there is a progressive fee where a 0.1 MW versus a 1 MW rated connection is not simply 10x cheaper.

Absent huge investments in the grid, I think the only thing you could do is put these on prem with power production, or put up a big battery near the charger that you fill up at a lower rate?

Not an expert, but I wrote simulation code for "virtual power plants" so industrial sites with electricity producers, consumers and storage could simulate their loads to help spec the grid connections to their sites... this is what I vaguely remember from the business end of things.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by SCdF »

j45 wrote: post #198
mlinhares wrote: post #194

Now waiting for the catch here because this sounds too good to be true.

If you read into it some more Toyota has had this tech for a while, it’s real and it seems to work. Since battery life like this might be a step change, it will leave most EV manufacturers behind if they don’t have an answer. EV buyers may want to consider a used EV until new tech comes out, since old or current tech is not always worth paying new prices for. It might also be a factor in the relationship between Toyo…

I know what you mean, but until they release it in a production car it's not really real, if you know what I mean.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by amalcon »

adrr wrote: post #191
thiago_fm wrote: post #160

I hope they are successful on this. Japanese carmakers are really good and well-disciplined on building it with quality and also cheaply, I'm really excited about what they'll bring. I've always enjoyed Toyotas, I have one. Toyotas are always cheaper than the alternative and extremely reliable.

Not all Japanese manufactures have great quality. Nissan/Infiniti had transmissions that were guaranteed to fail.

When people say "Japanese cars are high quality", they usually mean "Toyota and Honda". I agree it's weird. Though Nissan isn't really considered worse than GM or something in that range -- they're just pretty middle of the road.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by lb1lf »

mlinhares wrote: post #194

Now waiting for the catch here because this sounds too good to be true.

One catch would be the massive strain on the AC grid; with an EV consuming some 200Wh or so/km, 1200km equals a capacity of approx. 240kWh.

240kWh in 10 minutes translates into 1,44MW - for charging one car! (Assuming 100% efficiency.)

The bottleneck when installing EV charging stations in many parts of Norway at the moment is simply getting the AC oomph needed to the right place. Our electrical ferries (much bigger load than an EV) sidestep this issue by having huge battery banks shoreside, which are being charged at a uniform rate, then once the ferry connects to the shore terminal, it charges off the batteries shoreside rather than the grid as such. Presumably something similar will have to be thought out to take full advantage of solid state batteries.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by yumraj »

the-dude wrote: post #196

This is a peculiar marketing strategy. This 'news' has been pushed about every month in the last ~6 months, and even before in 2021 there have been similar 'stories'. But there is no battery. But they are near. Here is one from 2021 : https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-battery-bev-hev-solid... Enter the rabbit hole : https://hn.algolia.com/?q=toyota+battery

I think they are learning from Musk.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by mikestew »

j45 wrote: post #198
mlinhares wrote: post #194

Now waiting for the catch here because this sounds too good to be true.

If you read into it some more Toyota has had this tech for a while, it’s real and it seems to work. Since battery life like this might be a step change, it will leave most EV manufacturers behind if they don’t have an answer. EV buyers may want to consider a used EV until new tech comes out, since old or current tech is not always worth paying new prices for. It might also be a factor in the relationship between Toyo…

EV buyers may want to consider a used EV until new tech comes out

I'm not basing my purchase decisions on pie-in-the-sky press releases from Toyota and wild-ass guesses from some random person on the Internet. Build a car, Toyota, then we'll talk. Or maybe I'll just buy a Tesla instead, I've heard that their "Full Self-Driving" is just a few months away.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by cagenut »

what is it about hacker news where only the worst marketing fluff about batteries is ever upvoted onto the front page?

every time the comments section decends into a combination of bitter laments about the state of journalism, random topic-adjacent bloviating, meta-commentary about the industry/market context (american's chattin about cars!), tangential speculation about other battery tech.

its so purely content free. you never learn something. why does HN work this way?

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by mywacaday »

lb1lf wrote: post #204
mlinhares wrote: post #194

Now waiting for the catch here because this sounds too good to be true.

One catch would be the massive strain on the AC grid; with an EV consuming some 200Wh or so/km, 1200km equals a capacity of approx. 240kWh. 240kWh in 10 minutes translates into 1,44MW - for charging one car! (Assuming 100% efficiency.) The bottleneck when installing EV charging stations in many parts of Norway at the moment is simply getting the AC oomph needed to the right place. Our electrical ferries (much bigger…

Sounds like a win for the battery manufacturer if there has to be a close to matching static capacity of batteries or maybe self driving to somewhere overnight for a quick 10 min charge would be the answer.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Post by h2odragon »

lb1lf wrote: post #204
mlinhares wrote: post #194

Now waiting for the catch here because this sounds too good to be true.

One catch would be the massive strain on the AC grid; with an EV consuming some 200Wh or so/km, 1200km equals a capacity of approx. 240kWh. 240kWh in 10 minutes translates into 1,44MW - for charging one car! (Assuming 100% efficiency.) The bottleneck when installing EV charging stations in many parts of Norway at the moment is simply getting the AC oomph needed to the right place. Our electrical ferries (much bigger…

https://www.cat.com/en_US/products/new/power-systems/electri...

no price listed, alas.

edit: did find a fuel consumption number; 50% load for a 3MW model should be 45-50gal for 10min (quotes 467gal/hr).

so ~14 miles/gallon or 6 km/liter

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