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Are any words the same in all languages?

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Re: Are any words the same in all languages?

#201

Perhaps, it would be more useful for students if foreign language courses start with explaining one thing that is well known to linguists, but maybe does not have enough recognition by a wide audience. Most European languages are at some extent just dialects of the same common language[1]. And most of the words we use in distinct languages are (at some extent) just different pronunciations of the same vocabulary. Thi…

> [...], but because centuries ago these nations speak one single common language that has diverge in centuries into different dialects.

It's more complicated than that. First, it's more than just 'centuries ago'. Second, there weren't any nations back then. Third, it wasn't necessarily the case that a common language, proto-Indo-European, was spoken over a large area. There was just as much, and even more, diversity of languages back then.

It's just that the speakers of proto-Indo-European brought their language with them when they migrated and/or conquered. Just like the Romans later brought Latin with them and influenced what would later become French and Spanish. The people living 2100 years ago in what is not France did not speak Latin. The people living 600 years ago in what is now South Africa, did not speak Middle Dutch, even though people there now speak a language descendant from Middle Dutch.

Re: Are any words the same in all languages?

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These seem like very bad candidates. All are loan words, which is interesting, but we could go deeper if we're considering pineapple/ananas and coffee. And let's be real, words like robot and computer are mostly the same in this respect too, especially if we're considering taxi. But what about words that are more "native"? How about "mama" and "papa"? There are variations, but these seem to be pretty small and mostly…

Turkish has an interesting deviation from the pattern: the Turkish word for mama is 'anne'. Turkish dad's follow the usual pattern though with 'baba'.

Re: Are any words the same in all languages?

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post #165

I believe mango is another candidate for a word that's nearly the same in many languages. Like chai vs tea, the two words (that I know of) are aam and mango.

Yep, "mango" is surprisingly consistent across every language I checked, but in Bengali and possibly quite a few other similar widely spoken languages it's different. Whereas "sushi" I haven't found a language using a distinct word for so far.

That's because sushi doesn't exist in any other language

Re: Are any words the same in all languages?

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post #165

I believe mango is another candidate for a word that's nearly the same in many languages. Like chai vs tea, the two words (that I know of) are aam and mango.

Yep, "mango" is surprisingly consistent across every language I checked, but in Bengali and possibly quite a few other similar widely spoken languages it's different. Whereas "sushi" I haven't found a language using a distinct word for so far.

I don't speak or understand Bengali and can't read the written form either, but when looking it up on Google translate, I got the following result:

আম or Āma

which is similar to the Hindi/Urdu word Aam (आम in Devanagari script) (آم in Urdu script).

Re: Are any words the same in all languages?

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post #165

I believe mango is another candidate for a word that's nearly the same in many languages. Like chai vs tea, the two words (that I know of) are aam and mango.

Yep, "mango" is surprisingly consistent across every language I checked, but in Bengali and possibly quite a few other similar widely spoken languages it's different. Whereas "sushi" I haven't found a language using a distinct word for so far.

> Whereas "sushi" I haven't found a language using a distinct word for so far.

Actually, there is: Japanese (and Korean)!

The English word 'sushi' can be translated into Japanese as 'sushi' or 'sashimi' or even 'gimbap'. (Careful English speakers also use the borrowings 'sashimi' and 'gimbap' etc, but casual English speakers will refer to all of these and more as just 'sushi'.)

Similar to how Kindergarten means different things in English and German.

Re: Are any words the same in all languages?

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post #125

How much does 'no' vary? Non, niet, nein... but I don't know much about non-European languages.

Nahi in Hindi

Naahi or Nako in Marathi

Naa in Gujarati

Illai in Tamil

Illaa in Kannada

Allaa in Malayalam (both are palindromes :)

Naa in Bengali

etc.

https://translate.google.com/?sl=en&tl=gu&text=no&op=transla...

Re: Are any words the same in all languages?

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post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mandarin and Cantonese: Jīqìrén https://translate.google.de/?sl=de&tl=zh-CN&text=robot Meaning: http://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/dictionary/words/22467/

Do they still call it Jīqì"rén" if it's not human-like? Like a vacuuming robot or a robotic arm at an assembly line?

Yes, a vacuuming robot is saodi jiqiren (literally sweeping robot). Industrial robotics are gongye jiqiren in general, although a robotic arm is more precisely a jixiebi (literally robotic arm).

Re: Are any words the same in all languages?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, "mango" is surprisingly consistent across every language I checked, but in Bengali and possibly quite a few other similar widely spoken languages it's different. Whereas "sushi" I haven't found a language using a distinct word for so far.

That's because sushi doesn't exist in any other language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimbap is pretty close. An English speaker would likely use 'sushi' to things that Koreans would call 'Gimbap'.

Re: Are any words the same in all languages?

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post #165

I believe mango is another candidate for a word that's nearly the same in many languages. Like chai vs tea, the two words (that I know of) are aam and mango.

Yep, "mango" is surprisingly consistent across every language I checked, but in Bengali and possibly quite a few other similar widely spoken languages it's different. Whereas "sushi" I haven't found a language using a distinct word for so far.

In Korean, sushi is 초밥 (cho-bap)

Re: Are any words the same in all languages?

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post #125

How much does 'no' vary? Non, niet, nein... but I don't know much about non-European languages.

In Persian it’s “na”. Also the words for Mother, Father, Daughter, Brother and some other primitive concepts are very similar. But it’s not really surprising.

That's because Persian is an Indo-European family language, probably. Those words are similar in many languages in that family, such as Sanskrit, Hindi, Latin, English, French, German, Spanish, Italian, etc.
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