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Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time

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The issue of subscription apps came up a lot in recent months on ATP [0] regarding Casey's new app Callsheet [1]. They've been arguing heavily FOR the use of subscriptions, and I came around to agreeing with them. The part that especially convinced me is that subscription revenue creates an incentive for the developer(s) to keep working on the app, in particular after the big wave of launch sales is gone. (You could argue that a lot of apps don't necessarily need new features, but I feel like especially on macOS and iOS, you want the app developers to check if their app still works properly on the new major releases, and issue fixes if something breaks.)

The very important thing is the cost of the subscription though. It needs to be reasonable. I'm fine with paying a subscription even for a small app as long as it's a low yearly price (like 5-10$). I feel like that's the bigger issue with subscription apps nowadays - the prices are often unreasonable considering the type of app, and they end up charging 3-6$ A MONTH for apps that should be at most 1-2$ a month.

[0]: https://atp.fm [1]: https://www.caseyliss.com/2023/8/7/callsheet

Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time

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post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except with Spotify the songs can go away, so it's not necessarily equivalent - you don't get access to the same music as long as you're subscribed, you get access to whatever Spotify is currently serving up. I was an early Spotify user and that annoyed me enough to stop and go back to buying music instead. BTW, albums usually have more than 5 songs.

I've never had a song I like go away, is this a real issue?

Are you sure? If you've got playlists you haven't touched for a few years, take a look and you may discover they're shorter than you remember.

Maybe they've improved in recent years, and maybe it depends on the music/artists involved.

Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time

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They don't, It's just a better result for the users who get newer and better software, and a better result for the sellers who only have to support one version and get a consistent cash flow.

But what if it is newer and not better? Lightroom regularly breaks plugin compatibility, increases resource consumption and processing time, or simply stops working. If your workflow depends on software, that no longer works after a forced update, what are your options? There are people running ancient MacOS versions, because that allows them to keep using professional firewire audio interfaces they have. How would s…

Agreed, frequently "newer and better software" simply isn't and for something that you rely upon, such as audio processing software or image/film editing tools, cannot be left to the whims of tech companies who have proved themselves over and over again to be unworthy custodians of these important tools. It's better to get a hardware+software combination that works and then just use that forever without modifying it. It will always perform as well as it did on day one, it's only pesky updates that make computers slower.

Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time

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I think the subscription model is fine. What's not fine is the cost of subscription software. With so much competition in the market the price should go down but unfortunately so far that has not been the case. We at neeto from get go are going for a low price. https://blog.neeto.com/p/neetocal-a-calendly-alternative-is

Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time

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Typical of 37Signals: self-importance presented as courage. "IT departments are hungry to run their own IT again." Really, are they now? I can't imagine anything scarier: an organization that is ostensibly shy to spend on Big Tech's cloud bills, somehow also has the bandwidth and resources to support and maintain someone else's software . This is just silly. Is there a way to personalize HN's algorithm to hide market…

I don't think it's that bad?

I'm not in IT directly but as someone who mostly does infra / SRE / platform / ops type of stuff I'd much rather run certain types of tools internally.

For example, I'd rather pay $6 a month to self host WireGuard on a low powered server than pay 10-30x that for other SAAS apps in that space. Pop in Debian, lock the server down and turn on nightly unattended-upgrades and it's basically hands free maintenance.

I've had servers run for 8 years in this way where I spent a total of ~3 hours on assorted maintenance for the lifetime of the box.

Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time

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I think the subscription model is fine. What's not fine is the cost of subscription software. With so much competition in the market the price should go down but unfortunately so far that has not been the case. We at neeto from get go are going for a low price. https://blog.neeto.com/p/neetocal-a-calendly-alternative-is

Exactly! It seems that it's $10+/mo or nothing for everything. Slack, Figma, Netflix, whatever.

I definitely want a genre of $1-3/mo apps to exist, and am doing what I can with https://weathergraph.app.

Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time

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The issue of subscription apps came up a lot in recent months on ATP [0] regarding Casey's new app Callsheet [1]. They've been arguing heavily FOR the use of subscriptions, and I came around to agreeing with them. The part that especially convinced me is that subscription revenue creates an incentive for the developer(s) to keep working on the app, in particular after the big wave of launch sales is gone. (You could…

App Store is a graveyard of great kid apps and games, that are no longer available after their authors found out that the $3.99 one time payment doesn't even pay for developer account fees after a few years.
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