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Re: The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant

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Post by Narushia » Sat, Sep 09, 2023, 11:23 AM UTC

okamiueru wrote: post #114

kouteiheika wrote: post #40

This might be a hot take, but you'll have to take X from my cold, dead hands. Or at least until things start breaking, or maybe until Wayland has e.g. stellar HDR support and I'll get a nice OLED monitor. Otherwise, no dice. I know that X is a crusty old spawn of Cthulhu; but honestly, I don't really care? It just works! I set up my system 10 years ago with how the UI works (including my window manager), and it stabl…

Is screen tear something that can be avoided in X11? That's mostly the only reason why I bother with Wayland

Yeah. I’m using Fedora 38 / GNOME 44, with two 1440p 170 Hz monitors and one 4K 120 Hz TV. For me it works out of the box, and I have not made any configurations myself to make it work.

Re: The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant

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Post by jamespo » Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 11:20 AM UTC

ndriscoll wrote: post #171

reisse wrote: post #162

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I don't know what to say here because exact scaling parameters are very subjective, but personally I find 250% scaling for 4k@16" okayish? I use 175% for 1440p@14", and 125% for 4k@27", which is slightly smaller than what Windows suggested you. When I had my previous laptop, it had 100% for 4k@16" in Linux by default, and it was causing me a pain in the eyes. Switched to 200% back then, because fractional scaling in…

I just checked, and at the recommended 250% scaling at 4k on a 16" monitor in Windows, I can see 0-3 messages on the screen at once in Slack, and just under 34 lines of code and 113 columns in VS Code at default zoom levels. If I do a vertical split in VS Code, I get 51 columns in each pane, which makes it basically useless. Icons and even things like the minimize button are like a full centimeter across. I don't und…

a 16" 4k with no scaling? You must be about 3 inches from the screen

Re: The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant

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Post by bitwize » Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 9:04 PM UTC

jjav wrote: post #196

bitwize wrote: post #195

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No, it doesn't, it works like shit because that's not how modern apps work anymore. Modern apps draw all their UI client-side onto a surface which is then sent to X for display. IF ONLY we had a windowing system that was based around simply compositing together the various surfaces that the apps draw into a complete image of the desktop. Since this is a step away from the complexity of X, we could give it a name star…

> No, it doesn't, it works like shit because that's not how modern apps work anymore. Don't know what to tell you, your experience is different. Many of my computers are on a rack and I run everything on them over X displaying to my desktop. Works just fine.

Try running Firefox over your networked X connection.

Go ahead, I'll wait. Literally, I'll wait.