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Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by baja_blast »

ltbarcly3 wrote: post #102

Even if they are extrasolar, it doesn't mean anything interesting. Everything in the solar system is extrasolar if you go back far enough, and of course material from outside the solar system arrives from time to time. The interesting thing the author wants so very badly to believe is that these little blobs of melted rock and metal were from some kind of technological contraption built by aliens.

> Everything in the solar system is extrasolar if you go back far enough

That is not true the composition and material of our solar system are the result of a Supernova remnants. The element composition of each nebula is unique since no star is exactly the same(although it could be quite similar), but outside of the other stars that formed alongside our sun 4.5 billion years ago, other solar systems have different element and isotope ratios.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by EdwardDiego »

swader999 wrote: post #158
EdwardDiego wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Manhattan Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Fuchs Won't point out all the double agents for the KGB that infested western spy agencies, (and vice versa) it's more of the same, really, and there's too many names to type. And those are only the ones we know of... But yep, the NSA is a good counterexample, however also a poor one as they primarily operate in the signals/digital space, where passive monitorin…

How did building 7 fall?

NIST wrote an extensive report.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by colordrops »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #202
swader999 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did building 7 fall?

NIST wrote an extensive report.

The NIST report had very basic important information like speed of collapse found to be incorrect by high school teacher David Chandler.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by colordrops »

sixstringtheory wrote: post #134
colordrops wrote: post #94

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Manhattan Project, and many NSA projects until Snowden. You also don't know about the projects that didn't leak. You are basically saying that security clearance is worthless. It is indeed possible and there is a lot of precedent for large projects with long life spans that didn't leak. The "government" isn't a monolithic entity. It contains individuals and groups of a range of competencies.

Basically everything protected by any level of security clearance is high school drama antics compared to the distilled existentialism of "aliens exist." That would throw basically all of human history and psychology as we know it right out the window. I think your last statement actually works against your point. The fact that the government has individuals increases the probability of leaks. Only a true monolith co…

You missed my point about monoliths. Some groups operate more tightly and competently than others.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by sixstringtheory »

colordrops wrote: post #204
sixstringtheory wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically everything protected by any level of security clearance is high school drama antics compared to the distilled existentialism of "aliens exist." That would throw basically all of human history and psychology as we know it right out the window. I think your last statement actually works against your point. The fact that the government has individuals increases the probability of leaks. Only a true monolith co…

You missed my point about monoliths. Some groups operate more tightly and competently than others.

Just went back and read it again, I see your point on that now.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by EdwardDiego »

colordrops wrote: post #203
EdwardDiego wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NIST wrote an extensive report.

The NIST report had very basic important information like speed of collapse found to be incorrect by high school teacher David Chandler.

Ah, a high school teacher who makes YouTube videos. Well, I'm convinced. Who needs engineers and scientists eh?

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Post by colordrops »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #206
colordrops wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NIST report had very basic important information like speed of collapse found to be incorrect by high school teacher David Chandler.

Ah, a high school teacher who makes YouTube videos. Well, I'm convinced. Who needs engineers and scientists eh?

You can be a dismissive snob, but NIST actually changed their report based on his feedback.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by EdwardDiego »

colordrops wrote: post #207
EdwardDiego wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, a high school teacher who makes YouTube videos. Well, I'm convinced. Who needs engineers and scientists eh?

You can be a dismissive snob, but NIST actually changed their report based on his feedback.

Okay, so the final report is correct then thanks to him, but the conclusions didn't change, IIRC?

I dismissed him out of hand, I'll admit.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by EdwardDiego »

colordrops wrote: post #207
EdwardDiego wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, a high school teacher who makes YouTube videos. Well, I'm convinced. Who needs engineers and scientists eh?

You can be a dismissive snob, but NIST actually changed their report based on his feedback.

Okay, so the final report is correct then thanks to him, but the conclusions aren't?

I dismissed him out of hand, I'll admit.

I'm just really unsure why the idea that heat reduces the strength of steel enough, and that the failure of the columns located in the hottest area of the fire then caused a cascading failure across other columns, is considered less likely than massive conspiracy.

It's the usual swiss cheese model of disaster.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

adamsmith143 wrote: post #173
pyinstallwoes wrote: post #80

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Yea let’s delegate all responsibility to an expert who can think for us instead of forming our own opinion from observation.

Are you also a professional Astronomer that can accurately vet his claims and research?

One does not require the other
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