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Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by latchkey »

thejazzman wrote: post #184
latchkey wrote: post #105

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No money for lawyers, before or after you spent $100k on a car?

It's pretty painful to drop thousands on lawyers when you know they have significantly more money and better lawyers I say this as a person who very much wanted to sue Tesla and backed down on the advice of my lawyer friend -- I was most likely only increasing my net loss and severely stressing myself out

Thank you for confirming one of the many reasons I'd probably never buy a Tesla.

It (and the blue check), just isn't worth it.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by aequitas »

alamortsubite wrote: post #165
stef25 wrote: post #130

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> A manufacturer only gets a certain number of attempts at repairs (usually 3 for new cars) on new vehicles or a limited time frame to fix them before they must offer a full replacement Wow that would be awesome. Someone I know here in the EU had a leaking sun roof on their Toyota and after so many fixes and replacements that did nothing (and she had to pay for) the dealer basically said "we can't fix it, the parts a…

Some dealers offer third-party accessories as options on new cars. I had a car whose aftermarket sunroof was installed by the dealer when it was bought by the original owner. Fortunately, mine never leaked, but I'm not sure the US Lemon Laws would have covered it if it had.

When buying in the EU (at least where I'm from) the contract is between the consumer and the seller. So if something is wrong the seller can't shift blame to the manufacturer and have me have to deal with them. How they handle the issue with the manufacturer is their problem. If they can't offer a repair or replacement they need to refund. Manufacturers can offer additional warranty on top of the legally required warranty the seller has to offer which will fall outside of the sellers responsibility.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by jm4 »

Except for the motors and batteries, Tesla cars are awful. I would never buy another one or recommend it to others. The only car that was put together worse than this one is a Mitsubishi I had back in the 90's. Elon Musk is a con man. I feel like it's only a matter of time before people get wise to his bullshit. My next EV will be from a reputable manufacturer, even if it's not as fast or as flashy.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by ralferoo »

Pxtl wrote: post #163
artursapek wrote: post #139

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American cars, especially trucks, have a great reputation. What are you talking about?

You've never heard the joke that FORD stands for "Fix It Again, Tony" (and, unrelatedly, FIAT stands for "Found On Roadside, Dead")?

There's a Chinese meme that PORSCHE means "rubbish second hand car"

PO = 破 = rubbish, RS = 二手 (er shou) = second hand, CHE = 车 = vehicle

Here's one instance of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9HlIVCsyg

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Post by Roark66 »

stef25 wrote: post #130
chrisco255 wrote: post #109

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It would be a weird play for anyone to sign such a thing. Most states in the U.S. have lemon laws that prevent maufacturers from selling such vehicles. A manufacturer only gets a certain number of attempts at repairs (usually 3 for new cars) on new vehicles or a limited time frame to fix them before they must offer a full replacement.

> A manufacturer only gets a certain number of attempts at repairs (usually 3 for new cars) on new vehicles or a limited time frame to fix them before they must offer a full replacement Wow that would be awesome. Someone I know here in the EU had a leaking sun roof on their Toyota and after so many fixes and replacements that did nothing (and she had to pay for) the dealer basically said "we can't fix it, the parts a…

>Wow that would be awesome. Someone I know here in the EU had a leaking sun roof on their Toyota and after so many fixes and replacements that did nothing (and she had to pay for) the dealer basically said "we can't fix it, the parts are made by another company bla bla

I never heard of a US lemon law equivalent for the EU, but the EU has pretty good general consumer protection. It varies somewhat between countries, but here in Poland if you buy a new item, if it breaks, it gets repaired under warranty and then it breaks again (it doesn't have to be the same component) the consumer has a choice of asking for a replacement, lowering of the price, or even withdrawing from the purchase altogether. Most people are not aware of this and are getting strung along by unscrupulous sellers. I myself had a situation like this with an induction hob that broke 6 times during the warranty. They then replaced it for a new one and that too broke a month later. I didn't even call them, I threw the damn thing out and I bought a different brand. It has been 3 years and that one has been working fine. Had I known I can withdraw from the purchase back then I'd definitely do it.

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Post by Someone »

stef25 wrote: post #130
chrisco255 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be a weird play for anyone to sign such a thing. Most states in the U.S. have lemon laws that prevent maufacturers from selling such vehicles. A manufacturer only gets a certain number of attempts at repairs (usually 3 for new cars) on new vehicles or a limited time frame to fix them before they must offer a full replacement.

> A manufacturer only gets a certain number of attempts at repairs (usually 3 for new cars) on new vehicles or a limited time frame to fix them before they must offer a full replacement Wow that would be awesome. Someone I know here in the EU had a leaking sun roof on their Toyota and after so many fixes and replacements that did nothing (and she had to pay for) the dealer basically said "we can't fix it, the parts a…

> the dealer basically said "we can't fix it, the parts are made by another company bla bla ...".

If that was a new car recently bought from that dealer, that’s their problem. In the EU (for sales to consumers), it’s the seller that’s responsible for delivering a product that’s fit for purpose. This dealer can’t hide behind the manufacturer or its suppliers (https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/gua...)

If the car wasn’t bought there or was older than 2 years, the rules only apply to the repair, not to the entire car. I think that means they would either have to fully repair the roof or give you something that’s at least as good as what you brought in for free (things do get murky there for my understanding of the law)

(of course, all that is in theory. In practice, companies will try to avoid having to do that)

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Post by [deleted] »

toddmorey wrote: post #73
rsynnott wrote: post #67

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> I own two Teslas and their service is horrible. Genuinely curious; why did you buy the second one? I might possibly be slightly over-vindictive with brands, but once a brand fails me I’m very reluctant to buy something else from them (a Samsung TV with some silly quality control and firmware issues was enough to make me swear off Samsung, and the Nexus 7 (original one; the one that tended to degrade after about a y…

I’m shopping for anything EV other than a Tesla now. There are many options now, but Tesla is still way ahead with the power train. Most competitors aren’t at the same place on range & performance yet. It’s an amazing power train glued inside a 90s-era Oldsmobile.

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Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by mft_ »

Ah, more confirmation (bias) making me doubt the wisdom of ever buying a Tesla in the future.

I had a Model 3 LR as a company car and really liked it - even being fine with most of the usual concerns or dislikes people share. I even like the brand (although I dislike most of Musk's other shenanigans over the past few years).

I've since given the car back and am considering purchasing a BEV in the future. I've obviously been considering another Tesla, but my single (small) negative experience with their customer service, plus myriad stories online (including this one) make it a total lottery: you must cross your fingers that your car is perfectly reliable, else be launched into a world of potential frustration and difficulty (not to mention potentially huge cost, if not warrantied) gettings things fixed.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by res0nat0r »

Fatnino wrote: post #183
jen20 wrote: post #166

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This kind of thing certainly stopped me from buying one, even in the days before they were referred to as “MAGAmobiles”. Instead I waited for companies that actually know how to make cars to work out how to make electric cars.

Who is calling them MAGAmobiles? A MAGAmobile is a lifted truck that rolls coal and has a huge lets go brandon decal

Teslas are being called MAGAmobiles now that Musk bought Twitter and has shown his love for rightwing disinformation and keeps replying to and platforming alt-right racists and other neo-nazi adjacent folks.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by digdugdirk »

Roark66 wrote: post #192

Manufacturing aluminum castings at scale efficiently (without using excessive amounts of metal) is a difficult problem to solve. This kind of stuff has plagued other car manufacturers too and with much smaller components. For example aluminum Ice engine heads and blocks. Certain vehicle years (for example 2005 Golf tdi) are known for "porous" and cracking castings. There is a very good reason (other than "they" want…

This isn't accurate. Aluminum casting is a well known and understood process, the only issues are either from poor manufacturing control or a poor design. In Tesla's case, it seems to be a mix of both, with a bit of "we're doing something gigantic that few companies have experience with" sprinkled on top.
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