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Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by Hamuko » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 2:35 PM UTC

ThrowAway1922A wrote: post #118

petee wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another consideration, when my dad passed we had his passwords but not his phone or tablet pins/patterns. Both devices are encrypted, and the samsung I believe is set to wipe after a number of failed attempts. While there probably isn't anything on them, it's always been a pain to not know.

> While there probably isn't anything on them, it's always been a pain to not know. I know I wouldn't care because I'd be dead, but I really do not want my family getting on to my personal devices after I'm dead. Those are things that I will never give them the passwords for, not everything is their business.

Same. I'd also like them to throw all of my objects with locks on them into the nearest lake.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by atoav » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 2:35 PM UTC

sshine wrote: post #181

DicIfTEx wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Useful checklist: https://getyourshittogether.org/ Others in this thread have talked about safety deposit boxes and buried crates. I'd add that you can just give some trusted party a normal encrypted USB flash drive, and eliminate the risk of getting absolutely rinsed out in the event of a house burglary by splitting the password amongst an arbitrary number of your other contacts using the Shamir's Secret Sharing alg…

I call this a Horcrux. Also, unless your arbitrary number of friends are cryptographers, it's a sure way for them to collectively lose your shit.

I'd say a regular will, sealed at a notary is just okay.

If you are really paranoid, why not write a service that works like a dead mans switch and when you don't trigger it for n days it sends all the keys to the kingdom to those who should receive them.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by nequo » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 2:37 PM UTC

earth2mars wrote: post #198

Why so many people love vim? I have a genuine question. I was trying to delete contents of a file and paste new content. It was nightmare for me to remember the 3 or 4 finger combination shortcuts with small and cap letters involved during the process. I like if the shortcuts using Ctrl or shift or Alt or Command or Windows buttons over 3 finger with caps changing keys. The cognitive load in remembering shortcuts is…

> The cognitive load in remembering shortcuts is nightmare.

The cognitive load is no greater than it is to remember that Ctrl+C is copy and Ctrl+V is paste. Once you learn them, you don't think about them.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by syntheticnature » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 2:38 PM UTC

earth2mars wrote: post #198

Why so many people love vim? I have a genuine question. I was trying to delete contents of a file and paste new content. It was nightmare for me to remember the 3 or 4 finger combination shortcuts with small and cap letters involved during the process. I like if the shortcuts using Ctrl or shift or Alt or Command or Windows buttons over 3 finger with caps changing keys. The cognitive load in remembering shortcuts is…

Vim's major benefit is that commands are composable. For example, `d` means delete -- but delete what? Well, that's based on the motion command you supply, from lines, to the end of the file, or even looking for a specific character.

Perhaps a better discussion: https://ferd.ca/vim-and-composability.html

Edit: Another benefit: vim works very well over all sorts of connections, even ones that do not support the full set of Control/Shift/etc. For some of us, this is very handy. (Also, vi, the ancestral editor to vim, is very small and often available in environments other editors do not fit into -- and the commands are much the same.)

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by chipsrafferty » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 2:38 PM UTC

bombcar wrote: post #44

OJFord wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banks are the last thing I'd worry about (I wouldn't) - they're highly regulated, audited, and have been dealing with this forever, since before 'passwords'.

I have no worry about the funds being lost. It’s just imagining my heirs having to contact and close fifty+ accounts.

Why would they have to?

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by flobosg » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 2:38 PM UTC

DicIfTEx wrote: post #125

OskarS wrote: post #13

My brother passed away very suddenly a few years ago, and I was put in charge of wrapping up and archiving his "digital" life. We were very lucky that we had access to a recovery email for his main gmail account (as well as a couple of passwords that his partner knew) and was able to access and archive virtually all data we could think of (services like Google Takeout were invaluable). I realized that if this had hap…

Useful checklist: https://getyourshittogether.org/ Others in this thread have talked about safety deposit boxes and buried crates. I'd add that you can just give some trusted party a normal encrypted USB flash drive, and eliminate the risk of getting absolutely rinsed out in the event of a house burglary by splitting the password amongst an arbitrary number of your other contacts using the Shamir's Secret Sharing alg…

Additional links:

* What to Do Before You Die: A Tech Checklist – https://archive.is/6vjqQ

* Cheat Sheet For If I'm Gone – https://archive.is/lnWX6 –https://github.com/christophercalm/if-im-gone/blob/main/exam... (HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31748553)

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by em-bee » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 2:38 PM UTC

RalfWausE wrote: post #194

OskarS wrote: post #13

My brother passed away very suddenly a few years ago, and I was put in charge of wrapping up and archiving his "digital" life. We were very lucky that we had access to a recovery email for his main gmail account (as well as a couple of passwords that his partner knew) and was able to access and archive virtually all data we could think of (services like Google Takeout were invaluable). I realized that if this had hap…

Its not just about passing away, even a sudden incapacitation from which you do recover may pose a bit of a challenge for the relatives: Some time ago my dad had some severe heart problems which lead to him being hospitalised for multiple months and a lengthy recovery where he was in full "vegetable" mode in the beginning. As he is somewhat of a "patriarch" personality the whole family finances, insurances etc. where…

that's what would scare me the most. to forget my passwords due to some accident. if i pass away it wouldn't matter to me, but the thought of recovering from an illness but then not being able to access things that i had before is horrifying.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by samvher » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 2:39 PM UTC

earth2mars wrote: post #198

Why so many people love vim? I have a genuine question. I was trying to delete contents of a file and paste new content. It was nightmare for me to remember the 3 or 4 finger combination shortcuts with small and cap letters involved during the process. I like if the shortcuts using Ctrl or shift or Alt or Command or Windows buttons over 3 finger with caps changing keys. The cognitive load in remembering shortcuts is…

If you use vim every day, the common operations become muscle memory, I don't even think about jumping through the file, find and replace, block edits etc, they just happen.

For me personally, the context in which I edit files changes constantly - sometimes it's inside a Docker container, sometimes it's on a server, sometimes it's on my personal Linux machine, sometimes on my work Mac... Vim is easily available on all of those, and I just use the default configuration.

I do see my colleagues benefit from VSCode. If my work environment was very consistent (same computer, same language) I think you're right that I would possibly gain in productivity from using VSCode (with Github Copilot, perhaps). But my work environment is not consistent, so Vim it is.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by tuwtuwtuwtuw » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 2:39 PM UTC

artogahr wrote: post #200

earth2mars wrote: post #198

Why so many people love vim? I have a genuine question. I was trying to delete contents of a file and paste new content. It was nightmare for me to remember the 3 or 4 finger combination shortcuts with small and cap letters involved during the process. I like if the shortcuts using Ctrl or shift or Alt or Command or Windows buttons over 3 finger with caps changing keys. The cognitive load in remembering shortcuts is…

The point is you don't remember them, they become second nature, intuition, and you just sort of... do it without thinking. Assuming you've given time to learn it, editing with vim takes less mental effort and is faster.

Do you have any source for that claim?

I had a coworker who swore that X was the fastest way to do Y. Turned out it wasn't and X just made him very busy hitting keyboard quickly.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by medeshago » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 2:39 PM UTC

earth2mars wrote: post #198

Why so many people love vim? I have a genuine question. I was trying to delete contents of a file and paste new content. It was nightmare for me to remember the 3 or 4 finger combination shortcuts with small and cap letters involved during the process. I like if the shortcuts using Ctrl or shift or Alt or Command or Windows buttons over 3 finger with caps changing keys. The cognitive load in remembering shortcuts is…

I think this explains it very well https://learnvim.irian.to/basics/vim_grammar. You stop thinking about doing specific things tied to a specific keymap and you start to interact with your code using vim's grammar. Besides that, its nice having a consistent keymap between the different IDEs, text editor, browser and shell. Personally I hate if theres a keymap that uses more than a two keys at the same time and I much prefer having a sequence of keystrokes like vim does, I do touch typing so it's natural for me to type a sequence, but if you introduce any modifier key I have to move my fingers from their position. Also, you can find vim in most unix machines that you are going to interact with.